SUX4U

When in doubt, disclose more than less. This is not the industry to try and sneak by something like an extra failed check compared to what is on your application. United's interview process is a piece of cake for those that are honest, humble and accountable for all positives and negatives in their lives/career.

It's not so much a line between 3 vs 4 failures, its the notion that you are aware of a failure but trying to skirt around it as it might not be in your log book. That is an integrity concern and would surely bite you square in the bum.

As stated about a friend here with 2 DUI's (likely a mutual friend BTW), he is far from perfect but owned his errors and was able to show how he learned from not one but two pretty big screw up's. Nobody is perfect, but being open and honest is the next closest thing. Best of luck!

Grumble

I don't see a training issue in your posts, but your explanations would raise red flags if you were sitting across the table from me. Based on what you've written so far I can't say I would approve you to move forward.

MasterOfPuppets

Agreed! The interview would be very short. If these "failures" are written in your log book you will need to explain them even if they are just 141 stage checks. Being hostile and flipant won't cut it with the panel.

Paperboi

3...once for commercial multi. One on cfi initial and one for CFII. 4th had to be end of course for 121 thats why its not in logbook but ill order full FAA records to be sure. The last thing i want to do is lie and ruin a potential job. Just trying to see if anyone with 3 or more busts has neen hired at any legacy including SWA. Thanks

Dave Fitzgerald

Because it sounded an awfully lot like you were trying to rationalize not putting the failures on your application.

Check ride failures is what they are looking for. A stage check in an approved training program is not an FAA failure.

If everyone had to do that, anyone with military flight school would have to put every ride failure through training. Then no one would get hired.

FAA checks, yes, stage checks in a school, don't worry about it. But as stated above, don't even try to lie or omit stuff. If you are caught, it's game over, and never another interview. They really don't like dishonesty--and I have to agree.

If it's FAA, put it down, let the process decide.

Paperboi

I was only being slightly hostile because i was immediately accused of being dishonest. Ive been hired by two airlines who asked about failures and was upfront and owned them. Got hired by both. However they were not legacy that's why my heightened concern.

Dave Fitzgerald

If you are honestly looking for input, great. Say thank you for advice and information. Slightly hostile?? Not the way to go, and as stated, very short interview...

Paperboi

I dont see how I was hostile at all but its what another member said on here. Simply clarifying my situation. I'm not worried about explaining and owning my failures in interview. Im a very humble person. Its getting the interview im worried about.

buscappy

Paperboi
I took your question as an honest open inquiry on an anonymous message board - and took it as a good-faith effort to think things through before getting to a legacy interview.
Disregard the attacks from the regulars on this forum. If you watch it long enough, you'll notice the regulars seem to be grumpy old guys sitting aroun commuter crash pads in their boxer shorts eating cold pizza and upset that they have to sit reserve in a crash pad after they bid some jet and seat for the pay. They will jump your sheize just because they are unhappy that they can't sit reserve at their pool in Orlando....
Keep up your research and figure out exactly how you will address issues in your interviews and good luck


And Airhoss. No idea who you are but you normally post pretty good comments. This time you missed though. The guy clearly wrote " in the last 12 years". I'm guessing you posted after a long day or a couple local crafts...

BigDukeSix

Checkride failures can be overcome especially if they are GA and you've had a stellar 121 career. I'm an example. In a weird way they may have helped me. Knowing I had them on my record made me work harder, study more, go to job fairs, network, volunteer etc. If I don't have those on my record perhaps I don't do all of those things. In the end it worked out.