I'll disagree with that, Motch.

There are plenty of marginal aviators who possess squeaky clean records and just happen to be total nimrods. Certainly, you've flown with a few. As far as we know, he's got lunar landings, 15,000 hours of spotless 121 PIC time and is now cleaner than Mother Theresa. He did make it through the interview after all.

DWI regs have been tightened to idiotic levels. When I was young, the police would put your beer in their trunk and send you home with a short speech. Today, not so much. I say, give the guy a chance.

Just my opinion.

 

Or did they put the beer in their trunk for later? 😉

 

Of course they did. This was a million years ago. Legal age for beer was 18 then. A guy could have two DUI's by the time he graduated HS using that and today's BAC limits.

The cop would then inquire who had consumed the least and they'd instruct that guy to drive the rest home. That would be the end of story. That would never happen today.

 

No one should be making logbook entries in your logbook except for an you and and an instructor endorsement. It kills me the lack of knowledge some of these instructors have!!! You should not try to hide this but it should not be in your logbook either.

 

No one should be making logbook entries in your logbook except for you or an instructor for an endorsement. You should not try to hide this but it should not be in your logbook either. Talk to an FAA inspector about PRIA, they can give you concrete advice on what is reportable and not reportable. Inspectors will give you unbiased information.

 

he wrote "my friend is at United with two DUI's"

maybe I am right that his friend got them after he was hired
or, maybe you are right that his friend was hired with the DUI's

but the language does not tell us
so I still think it was incorrect to jump to the conclusion that his friend got hired with two DUI's

 

OM..
I agree, there are nimrods out there. Many of us see them every day..
But I guess I'm just baffled that someone could put down that they had had not one, but 2 DUI's on Airline Apps and it somehow gets looked at before others.
I personally know of a few pilots from my old guard unit that never got a call at United before they interviewed and were hired but the other Big 3. No DUI's, great resumes and good, quality flight time~

I (personally) thought it was not right that we have NewHires that have never checked out as Captain at a 121 carrier. Especially when there are TONS of applicants who DO HAVE 121 PIC time. Just my opinion.

As far as 'times' go.. yeah, I still remember NYPD asking us "which one of you is the soberest one?" or "park the car and walk the **** home". LOL

Times have changed.
As I stated before, everyone can make a mistake. It's about being human. The second mistake can be pure bad luck.. I get that. But guess I don't think it's right to hire someone with 2 DUI's while there are tons of guys out there without 1 DUI. Sends a strange message. Then again, we are living in a stranger and stranger world.
Surprised that our company would be willing to take that chance and risk on an individual. Oh well.. lucky him.

Happy Xmas
Motch

 

Doesn't having two DUI's mean that dude has poor decision making skills? Isn't this job about decision making skills? I feel like there is an elephant hiding in the room. I don't excuse 1 DUI, but damn, stuff happens and people make poor choices, but you should have learned after one...IMHO. Flame on.

 

There are a lot of good guys who have been sitting in the right seat for 8-9 years at places like ExpressJet. Do you overlook them? In some cases ExpressJet etc. didn't hire someone and they got a job at a Mesa, Trans States etc. and upgraded in 18 months because said company hired the rejects. I think those factors need to be taken into account.

 

The stage check doesnt count.. its only 3