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Old 04-20-2018 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
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In a robust hiring environment, some pilots have more than one option. Timing as we all know is everything. We often grab the next rung up from current position and if offered the 'dream' job (family reasons, want to live in domicile, etc) we will keep moving. Happens at many airlines and UPS too. We have folks that come from legacies and Southwest for example, and others that get opportunity very early stages and leave for same. Reflection on individual pilot needs/wants and market opportunity. Same for the few who no show a class when offered as starting somewhere else. Fortunate timing for them to have two choices drop at same time.
Not many, but one here, and one there makes several Happened in early 90's for many airlines.
For 2018, so far 101 started. 101 still UPS.
2017 had several come and press on for various reasons.
How many and where did they go?
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Old 04-20-2018 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PastV1by10
How many and where did they go?
more got fired than quit for another job.

and frankly, what does it matter? People do what's best for them and their family.
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Old 04-21-2018 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by navigatro
and frankly, what does it matter?
1. Some calming that this is the best job in the industry. Why are people leaving the greatest job after reaching the pinnacle?
2. What should be public knowledge is; I got a secret like everything else in the old boys club in Fern Valley. No transparency and if you say anything about it, cue union propaganda to discredit anyone questioning it.

Need term limits and ban the cronyism that is running our union these days. Matt S and John S have it right, leadership change is needed.
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Old 04-21-2018 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PastV1by10
1. Some calming that this is the best job in the industry. Why are people leaving the greatest job after reaching the pinnacle?
2. What should be public knowledge is; I got a secret like everything else in the old boys club in Fern Valley. No transparency and if you say anything about it, cue union propaganda to discredit anyone questioning it.

Need term limits and ban the cronyism that is running our union these days. Matt S and John S have it right, leadership change is needed.
I'd recommend you take some time and take your family on vacation, turn off your phone and forget this job exists for a while. It can't be healthy to be so worked up and miserable. This is one of the best jobs, and that's not really disputable. Everyone has their dream job for very personal reasons. You can't point to one job and say it's the pinnacle. I know southwest, delta, United, etc pilots that have come here. There are also pilots that have left for those places. The best job is very subjective and up to the individual.
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Old 04-21-2018 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
It can't be healthy to be so worked up and miserable.
More labeling by union employee or ***** & Gripe regular? You don't know the first thing about my life so how can you pass judgement? Worry about your own please.
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Old 04-21-2018 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PastV1by10
You don't know the first thing about my life so how can you pass judgement? Worry about your own please.
He said nothing about your life other than maybe you should step away from this stuff and enjoy it some more.
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Old 04-21-2018 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PastV1by10
1. Some calming that this is the best job in the industry. Why are people leaving the greatest job after reaching the pinnacle?
2. What should be public knowledge is; I got a secret like everything else in the old boys club in Fern Valley. No transparency and if you say anything about it, cue union propaganda to discredit anyone questioning it.

Need term limits and ban the cronyism that is running our union these days. Matt S and John S have it right, leadership change is needed.
Do we really need term limits or is that the only way your less experienced, less qualified candidate could ever win is if a highly popular, experienced and effective leader gets out of your way?
Hmm? I served a term on the EB, worked twice as hard and earned way less money that I did just flying the line. Never again. In my 30 years here one thing is constant, there’s never a shortage of Monday Morning Quarterbacks with keyboard courage who’ve never completed a pass much less earned a first down. The ballot is the most effective term limit.
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Old 04-22-2018 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by package puppy
Do we really need term limits or is that the only way your less experienced, less qualified candidate could ever win is if a highly popular, experienced and effective leader gets out of your way?
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I'm here to remind you that the current guy had zero experience before becoming v.prez then eventually prez. soon after the other dude was forced out behind the scenes.
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Old 04-22-2018 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by package puppy
I served a term on the EB, worked twice as hard and earned way less money that I did just flying the line. Never again. In my 30 years here one thing is constant, there’s never a shortage of Monday Morning Quarterbacks with keyboard courage who’ve never completed a pass much less earned a first down. The ballot is the most effective term limit.
Like J B, you remind us every time you post about your Union work. Also if your going use football analogies to ridicule those of us that dont serve and don’t have a right to voice our concerns, please make sure you personally didn’t commit any fumbles or interceptions to set the membership back a few points. As far as term limits go, yes we need them and there are many qualified individuals that could take over tomorrow without missing a step.
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Old 04-22-2018 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Harrisburg
I'm here to remind you that the current guy had zero experience before becoming v.prez then eventually prez. soon after the other dude was forced out behind the scenes.
You’re wrong, he had lots of experience on IPA Committees before holding an EB position.
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