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Old 05-26-2019, 07:01 AM
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DSM-IV and DSM-V defines exactly how psychologists, psychiatrists and medical professionals diagnose alcoholism. It’s pretty cut and dry.

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/alcohol-use-disorder-comparison-between-dsm
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Old 05-26-2019, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BrownDoubles View Post
How much does one have to drink 8 hours prior to show to blow a .16 at showtime? That may be possible but to suggest that someone had one or two past their limit the night before might be stretching it.
Age, muscle mass., type of alcohol and ones metabolic rate has lot to do with it but to blow twice the limit 8 hrs later I say s..t load.
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Old 05-26-2019, 08:14 AM
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Age, muscle mass., type of alcohol and ones metabolic rate has lot to do with it but to blow twice the limit 8 hrs later I say s..t load.
If he was going to fly in Germany I'd imagine it was at least 8 times the limit... I'd think he was drinking in the window pretty far past what ever UPS's/Germany's rules are.
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Not necessarily.

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Had a manager tell me that it was possible to talk yourself into hims after being busted.
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Old 05-27-2019, 03:58 AM
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I’ve been told that ground side UPS managers have visited several establishments asking about the pilots.

Pfft.... who ef’n cares. They have absolutely ZERO authority over us.

What exactly do they think the answer is going to be when they walk into a bar in CGN and ask.... “so do you see American pilots who work for UPS come in here and drink?”




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Originally Posted by G550Guy View Post
Pfft.... who ef’n cares. They have absolutely ZERO authority over us.

What exactly do they think the answer is going to be when they walk into a bar in CGN and ask.... “so do you see American pilots who work for UPS come in here and drink?”

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Zero authority ? Not exactly true either.

As long as you stay away from their founder's day cake, you should be fine.

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Old 05-27-2019, 06:54 AM
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Had a manager tell me that it was possible to talk yourself into hims after being busted.
The offer of rehabilitation will usually be made, but some pilots talk themselves out of it. Attitude is critical.
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Old 05-27-2019, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by G550Guy View Post
Pfft.... who ef’n cares. They have absolutely ZERO authority over us.

What exactly do they think the answer is going to be when they walk into a bar in CGN and ask.... “so do you see American pilots who work for UPS come in here and drink?”
No one told them anything.

IMHO, you’d better re-think your stance of zero authority.
Air side answers to SDF who in turn answers to ATL.
Ground side answers to ATL.
Crossing a ground side manager will get you a quicker trip to ATL.
I have seen a FQM (not a FQS)disagree with a ground side manager and the ground side wins. YMMV
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender View Post
No one told them anything.



IMHO, you’d better re-think your stance of zero authority.

Air side answers to SDF who in turn answers to ATL.

Ground side answers to ATL.

Crossing a ground side manager will get you a quicker trip to ATL.

I have seen a FQM (not a FQS)disagree with a ground side manager and the ground side wins. YMMV

Well, G550 is a true gentleman, he said that out ehhhhh. Bottom line, drink appropriately, be respectful and considerate towards your colleagues and peers, ENJOY life with these two simple attributes, life is too short to be so paranoid as some have become. My previous employer was VERY MUCH in the same modus operandi as Brown (G550 will attest), having furloughed 495 folks, and having recently fired a 20+ year Captain out of spite, ruthless and heartless, long story but said Captain lost his life post termination due to this event. Even with this type of employer, for 99% of folks, you did your job, was respectful and considerate, didn’t push the envelope, and you flew under the radar.
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender View Post
I have seen a FQM (not a FQS)disagree with a ground side manager and the ground side wins. YMMV
usually they oil wrestle to settle any disputes. the ground managers are a tough lot.
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