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Old 02-29-2020 | 07:48 AM
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And maybe also some staffing benefit from delaying some early retirements. How many pilots are now talking about staying 2 more years? A lot (not all) of the gains are for captains retirement pension. Maybe UPS was looking at how many guys/gals are retiring early and wanted to slow it down for a year or two.
This is probably a large part of their rational for the extension. Continue to operate at min staffing levels, kick the can down the road a few more years with band-aids to the operation. Problem is, even with the monetary incentives, we will still have the same number of pilots that are simply "one bad duty day" away from an early retirement. That hasn't changed, they are hoping the $$$ is enough to keep retirements closer to mandatory numbers. It probably will work as they hope, $$$ tends to solve a lot of problems around here.

Its still a no-brainer to vote YES on the TA extension. IPA members have nothing to lose on this one.
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Old 02-29-2020 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
This is probably a large part of their rational for the extension. Continue to operate at min staffing levels, kick the can down the road a few more years with band-aids to the operation. Problem is, even with the monetary incentives, we will still have the same number of pilots that are simply "one bad duty day" away from an early retirement. That hasn't changed, they are hoping the $$$ is enough to keep retirements closer to mandatory numbers. It probably will work as they hope, $$$ tends to solve a lot of problems around here.

Its still a no-brainer to vote YES on the TA extension. IPA members have nothing to lose on this one.
My personal opinion is that the retirement increase will not keep guys who already planned to leave early from doing so. The increase would have needed to be on the order of $200/year increase to the multiplier for captains. The agreement enables the company to trumpet labor peace to Wall Street and to focus hard on the Teamsters who may be a more difficult this next round due to the dissatisfaction many in their ranks felt over their last contract. All that said, we would be foolish not to give this a resounding yes vote. Especially with the world economy looking squishy.
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Old 02-29-2020 | 06:16 PM
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My personal opinion is that the retirement increase will not keep guys who already planned to leave early from doing so...
Maybe the retirement improvement won’t BUT the stock market drop will. A couple of days ago talked to 2 former crashpad roommates who’re both planning on retiring early next year (@~61 and ~63 respectively). Well, not anymore. ...they’ve both decided to hang on a while longer waiting for the markets to recover. I think many others will do the same..
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Old 02-29-2020 | 07:24 PM
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Maybe the retirement improvement won’t BUT the stock market drop will. A couple of days ago talked to 2 former crashpad roommates who’re both planning on retiring early next year (@~61 and ~63 respectively). Well, not anymore. ...they’ve both decided to hang on a while longer waiting for the markets to recover. I think many others will do the same..

IMO, they weren’t retiring anyway. If they had gone to any of the retirement shows put on by the union or had any common sense, they wouldn’t have been that exposed to the recent drop. You don’t leave that much in the stock market when you are close to retiring.
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Old 02-29-2020 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by whalesurfer
Maybe the retirement improvement won’t BUT the stock market drop will. A couple of days ago talked to 2 former crashpad roommates who’re both planning on retiring early next year (@~61 and ~63 respectively). Well, not anymore. ...they’ve both decided to hang on a while longer waiting for the markets to recover. I think many others will do the same..
If the market persists in a downward trend you might be right. If it bounces back within a few months, maybe not. A lot also depends how well each individual understands and trusts their retirement plans. Those who understand that their plan is built to deal with market gyrations probably will pursue retirement as planned. Those who don’t trust their plan will cling to their seniority numbers to the bitter end. I don’t think the stock market or corona virus will make a big difference in retirement numbers. Our senior guys generally have done well in their DC and have a DB to backstop the DC.
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Old 02-29-2020 | 08:01 PM
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Red Zone is 5 years to pulling retirement. IF this caught them they were not ready. Will likely pull less than 18 checks in retirement. Suggest the 20 year annuity A plan.
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Old 02-29-2020 | 08:46 PM
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Red Zone is 5 years to pulling retirement. IF this caught them they were not ready. Will likely pull less than 18 checks in retirement. Suggest the 20 year annuity A plan.
Moose,

I don’t disagree, but you know that there is a big difference between intellectually knowing you have a sound retirement plan and living it through a rough spot. Choice of ways to take your DB is personal and highly dependent on many factors.
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Old 03-01-2020 | 03:12 AM
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That was a tongue in cheek way of saying I assume their estates will need UPS annuity income long after they are gone..
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Old 03-01-2020 | 11:46 AM
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This TA looks like an even better deal now. I couldn’t imagine any sane person voting no for this.
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Old 03-06-2020 | 09:11 PM
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we must be the only airline in the world that has a raise proposal on the table. i cant see anything less than a 100% YES vote at this point.
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