jetlaggy

No need to argue about it...wear it or dont wear it...the rest will take care of itself.

767pilot

I'm most certainly not. I'm just saying to follow their policies. I don't wear one while flying but that has nothing to do with o² masks or communications.

FTv3

If you ever took a science course you’d know that the gas molecule’s size compared to a virus is like comparing a grain of sand to skyscraper. And if you paid attention to the scientists you’d find they have unanimously reported respiratory spread is through aerosolized particles = tiny spit drops with embedded virus. This is like a whole city block in our scale example. N95 would be like a giant fishing net draped over.

mrvmo

You took a class on farts?

FTv3

Hey, when you get a call saying you were sitting next to someone just a couple of days ago who is sick and tested positive, tell us all how comfortable you feel when you remember the person wasn’t wearing a mask during your time together.

Or when you’re sitting at home, margarita in hand, all psyched cause you tested positive but are asymptomatic and you’re getting your quarantine pay for missed trips.. tell us how proud you feel for your little occupy mask movement when you start getting calls from people’s lawyers cause they’ve contact traced their infection and illness to you and your decision not to wear a mask.

You may think it’s BS for health reasons but I’ve put up 3 really convincing arguments from a legal standpoint. It’s a CYA thing. Argue against that....

Boris Badenov

Huhuhu, good one Beavis. You really showed that nerd.

FTv3

1. From the FOIB: Not discretionary. -“Effective May 8, 2020, all jumpseaters will be required to wear face masks.”

So how about, “by all means follow the policy?”

2. Per CDC, Social distancing = 6 ft. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...istancing.html

Per the FOIB: “The operating Captain of the flight however, may provide relief from this requirement if social distancing can be maintained.”

Assuming a multiple JSer scenario, unless you’re on a mostly empty 74 or a 76 with the rest module, there’s no way to get around this provision as all seats are within 6 feet of each other.

3. Based on 1&2 above, I’m not sure this latitude you describe actually exists in most cases. You’re a detail oriented professional so I doubt you’ve overlooked anything I’ve posted above. Just surprised you’re comfortable with a little wink-wink treatment when there’s a lot of risk and liability with this one, IMHO.

dfwdavi8r

3 completely non-convincing quazi-legal BS arguments you mean.

1.) Mask or no mask, if you are sitting next to someone (close contact) who pops positive you will be quarantined. No questions asked. An Ill fitting paper surgical mask will get you nothing in that case. Enjoy your 14 days in the ANC hotel saying “but, but I was wearing a mask”.

2.) Contact tracing = Lawsuit? C’mon man, give me a break. I flew with 4 different crew members last week. Had 7 Jumpseat riders. l slept in 3 sleep rooms. Used 4 different toilets in the ASC. Maybe 8-10 crew vans. 4 hotel rooms. In your example. Where did I contract the Wu-Flu? Probably 14 days prior to that from my Amazon delivery driver or the other 15 gazillion other possibilities. Lawsuits require proof. How are they going to prove where they got it? There is no way to prove anything associated with a virus unless you are locked on a cruise ship or aircraft carrier for weeks at a time. Not convincing or legal. Try again Bubba.

3.) Don’t even see a 3rd argument, legal or otherwise.

I’ll wear the stupid mask at work just to avoid the NURP harassment. I’ll also know it doesn’t make a bit of difference on the spread one way or another. It didn’t make a difference when I returned from PVG in March (No Mask) It didn’t make a difference when I had a someone on my J/S who was coming back from SIK in April (Still coughing but who had to return to work because they were on probation).

Just a question? When do we stop wearing the mask? There is no end game here. Just continued fear mongering. It wasn’t required in Jan but I bet it will still be required next Jan. Nothing was different then, now or will be different.

Rest assured, I’ll be providing relief on my J/S because it is BS and I still get to make that call.

BoilerUP

I don't see any 'wink-wink' treatment here, nor do I share your concerns about risks or individual liability.

And that's okay.

We sit every other seat on crew busses and limit crew vans to four crewmembers now because the powers that be say that maintains social distance; how would that be acceptable but the far left and far right jumpseats on the MD (or Airbus) aren't?

I don't think we're as far apart on this topic as it seems...it really isn't as complicated as its being made out to be.

Swedish Blender

So where is this FOIb that says this? Just updated my iPad and have nothing that any of you are referencing.