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Old 03-04-2023 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
I thought the 76s on order were already, more or less, planned to replace the MDs.
The last time management spoke on the issue, that was the impression they made. What the plan is today or will be tomorrow…I have no idea. I’ve recently listened to some folks who are convinced we will be announcing the purchase of either A350s or 777s at the end of Q1. I am very skeptical, but hopefully they are right.
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Old 03-05-2023 | 05:56 AM
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From pilot talk by the water cooler, FWIW:

MDs are on going sooner than later, we all know that. The older 400’s (747) and 75s will probably start to follow shortly afterward. Use the 350/777 like MD to fill that gap between but also to cover either long haul or 76 stuff lost by 400 and 75 retirement and when operationally necessary.

Personally, I don’t think they want a direct MD replacement. Instead, get the 350/777s to supplement the 747 niche and then get more 76’s to take over the bulk of current MD flying.

Either way, to get the 350s/777 online is a multi year process so timeline works out for an announcement in the next year or so.
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Old 03-05-2023 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FTv3
From pilot talk by the water cooler, FWIW:

MDs are on going sooner than later, we all know that. The older 400’s (747) and 75s will probably start to follow shortly afterward. Use the 350/777 like MD to fill that gap between but also to cover either long haul or 76 stuff lost by 400 and 75 retirement and when operationally necessary.

Personally, I don’t think they want a direct MD replacement. Instead, get the 350/777s to supplement the 747 niche and then get more 76’s to take over the bulk of current MD flying.

Either way, to get the 350s/777 online is a multi year process so timeline works out for an announcement in the next year or so.
The older 75’s are already going. 2 are gone as we speak and no date for their return unless needed later on. My guess is we will continue to park the PW 75’s over the next few years until most are gone.
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Old 03-05-2023 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
I’ve recently listened to some folks who are convinced we will be announcing the purchase of either A350s or 777s at the end of Q1. I am very skeptical, but hopefully they are right.
Had dinner with a Captain the other night and he said some big announcement about announcing a new aircraft was "accidentally" sent from a management pilot to someone high up the food chain in the IPA. And, apparently, that announcement is supposed to be in the next month or two. I'm hoping for a new aircraft, as well.
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Old 03-05-2023 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by HeavyPilot83
Had dinner with a Captain the other night and he said some big announcement about announcing a new aircraft was "accidentally" sent from a management pilot to someone high up the food chain in the IPA. And, apparently, that announcement is supposed to be in the next month or two. I'm hoping for a new aircraft, as well.

If there is an announcement in the next month or two, the IPA would already be required to know about it. No accident necessary.
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Old 03-05-2023 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavyPilot83
Had dinner with a Captain the other night and he said some big announcement about announcing a new aircraft was "accidentally" sent from a management pilot to someone high up the food chain in the IPA. And, apparently, that announcement is supposed to be in the next month or two. I'm hoping for a new aircraft, as well.

As odd as it sounds, years ago I got emails meant for an EB member for several months.
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Old 03-06-2023 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE
The older 75’s are already going. 2 are gone as we speak and no date for their return unless needed later on. My guess is we will continue to park the PW 75’s over the next few years until most are gone.
The CPIL was very clear temporary storage, delaying heavy maintenance expenses until needed. UPS will pull them out of storage in a heartbeat if needed. The 75 is a bigger problem than the MD as we have way more and just like the MD no replacement close to it. Maybe the A321, maybe upscale with 76, but no true replacement.
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Old 03-06-2023 | 06:50 AM
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The CPIL was very clear temporary storage, delaying heavy maintenance expenses until needed. UPS will pull them out of storage in a heartbeat if needed. The 75 is a bigger problem than the MD as we have way more and just like the MD no replacement close to it. Maybe the A321, maybe upscale with 76, but no true replacement.
That was my whole point, temporary could mean permanent if they are not needed in the future. They telling sign will be next fall to see if they come out. I would not be surprised if those planes never come out of storage. Time will tell!!
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Old 03-07-2023 | 05:43 AM
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The pratts on the MD are hitting firm time limits on a specific section of the engine. 75s are just getting old in general. Seeing as UPS just upgraded them to glass, they probably won’t start to retire any 75s for at least a few years. I also heard the busses are good for another 10-15 yrs at most.
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Old 03-07-2023 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FTv3
The pratts on the MD are hitting firm time limits on a specific section of the engine. 75s are just getting old in general. Seeing as UPS just upgraded them to glass, they probably won’t start to retire any 75s for at least a few years. I also heard the busses are good for another 10-15 yrs at most.
So basically, the MD PW fleet is timing out, the 75 fleet is wearing out (oldest jets on property), the A300 fleet is wearing out, the 74-400 is wearing out, the 74-8 is out of production, and the 76 will be out of production in 4 years. Atlanta dragging their feet on new types is setting us up for a scenario where a big chunk of the fleet will need to be replaced in the late 2020s to early 2030s driving a huge capex. The 74-8 and the newer 76s will probably be good for 30-40 more years. The rest will be heading to the desert.
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