Another failing of our lame message board software.

While it wouldn't stop it completely a MFA login would make it much more secure.

 

This really shouldn't be difficult.

Discussion is fine, suggestions and ideas are fine, dialogue about "how we're behind" is fine as that's all open source public knowledge, and disagreement is fine too....though we all should be able to disagree respectfully with each other.

Negotiating in public (B&G included) with personal "red lines" and specifics about what will or will not earn a vote to ratify? Yeah probably not the greatest idea.

Whenever a TA is announced in the future, we'll all have an opinion on the sum total
package and all eligible voters will have a single vote in which majority opinion will carry the day.

Until then, maybe we all take a breath, stay engaged, support our team and let them do their thing until given a reason to pivot?

 

Thats why you just need pay FACTs…you know what they say about opinions.

 

The world according to BK: We are way behind, we have accepted concessionary or neutral contracts last 2 rounds. EB is the primary reason.

Reality of BK: straight out of the military to UPS. Antiunion or union hesitant initially. Never held a single volunteer position on any committee, never ran for office. No outside airline experience. He has 0 insight or experience with how a union runs or how contracts are negotiated.

Proof: he has been asked ad nauseam to explain what the problems are at the IPA and specific solutions. Beyond simple change, new ideas, he has not offered 1 single tangible problem nor a solution to fix it. His point of view and understanding of how unions work is contradictory to every single person who has ever held EB or higher up union positions (except JS - older scheduling chair who left under unfavorable circumstances). He literally doesn’t know what he is talking about.

Somebody tried to paint BK as a victim (the union kool-aid drinkers attacking him) a few posts ago. 99% of the time BK comes out with his guns blazing, making outrageous claims, calling the vast majority of us brainwashed or delusional. He creates his own problems and as someone pointed out, almost every thread he participates in spirals downhill as soon as he joins in. He is toxic, a troll, a disruptor - a free gift to the company. To his credit, really nice guy in person.

Most of the retirees who post have been in battle, know how the game works. I’d much rather hear from them than the opinionated loud mouth arm chair quarterbacks who’ve never thrown a football in their entire lives.

YMMV

 

This, and Boiler's post above, are the perfect summation of BK and this entire thread.

 

Now that is pretty insulting and factually incorrect. I have said way dumber things on APC.

It’s a reasonable idea that a dues paying pilot can have the choice between posting in a forum with or without the advice frome wise retirees and the less wise know-it-all-skytrucker monologues that also comes with said advice.

Also, stronger moderation without inhibiting constructive communication would be appreciated. Pages upon pages of personal attacks doesn’t improve unity nor the appearance of unity.

 

Its 2025, are we as a society and pilot group really incapable of scrolling past posts/posters we don't agree with and/or aren't interested in seeing?

Active or retired, people have a way of harming the credibility of their contributions by the content they post and the method by which they interact with others since nobody on B&G is anonymous. In a sense the issue eventually self-corrects; at some point it becomes little more than "old man (or typical know-it-all airline pilot) yells at cloud", reputation suffers, and influence wanes.

Given how some keyboard commandos post in a way much more combative than they do face-to-face or on the phone, I also would prefer a bit more moderation at times...but that can be a sticky wicket as well (reference recent debate about bans). Who draws the line, where does the line get drawn so that people don't think it is overly permissive or overly heavy-handed, who enforces the line, which mechanism ensures everything is done objectively and what mechanism provides a way for "appeal" if necessary? Sounds simple, but unfortunately in practice really isn't. I personally tend to think among adults, the reputational hit a lack of anonymity provides as mentioned above is sufficient in most circumstances.

If some people could simply act like the professionals they profess to be and disagree with each other in a polite and respectful if direct manner, these conversations would largely be moot...

 

can’t argue with the Boomers Joachim……and the new VP candidate also has des airs de grandeur…

 

And yet they can’t, hence the need for some form of moderation. In my opinion, if that were more effective, there’d be a much larger group active on the B&G…which I can’t see as a bad thing. So much variety of experience, yet we really only get to benefit from a dozen or so people.

To be clear, I don’t disagree with your overall premise.

 

If you're referring to me, I missed the boomer generation by nearly 20 years.

This whole thing has the feel of FedEx and future dysfunction.

Those I used to fly with said their biggest fear with all of this hiring is the past being forgotten and mistakes repeated. They may have been correct to feel that way.