Originally Posted by dckozak

And THIS gentleman, is the reason you shouldn’t start drinking before happy hour. 🤯

Originally Posted by MoosePileit

You skipped the part, after a week, where you refute any three of my points and threw a non-sequitor.

Rookie move.

Did you actually have anything to add?

Thoughts on:
1- Part 117 carveout.
2- Fatigue system weaker than FDX that no ADO, DO or CC would sign off on in the military as ORM-worthy
3- Cargo Aircraft Only hazards

Originally Posted by dckozak

Did you understand that I quoted a poster on LinkedIn who speaks on issues to express freight operations, primarily UPS, FDX, DHL, and expressed an opinion on the value of freight pilots vs pax pilots. I shared information, gave no opinion on any aspect or differences between either. I shared no opinion on FAR 117, carve outs or otherwise. My second post alluded to how disjointed your off the wall response was to my point. I think you have read way too much into my beliefs
, one way or another.

Originally Posted by JohnBurke

All things are colored by point of view and context: how an author at a periodical might perceive a pilot outside the cockpit will be quite different than a peer pilot, but that also varies with culture and experience. I always viewed UPS as the most desirable airline in the world. I've spoken with others who wouldn't give it a second thought.

Many years ago I sat in a Learjet one morning, gazing at the outline of a DC-3 nearby. I commented that I'd trade places in a heartbeat, and my compadre made similar comments. When I described the DC-3, he said he hadn't even seen it: he'd tuned it out. He was looking at something else. Our perceptions and values vary.

While flying for that same Lear operator, I was sent to pick up two UPS pilots once, fly them to LAX, then pick up two more pilots and fly them to the previous pickup. Two of the pilots spoke very highly about their employment, how much they loved their jobs, and how grateful they were to be there. The other two badmouthed the company and didn't have a single good thing to say about UPS. Which was correct? Perhaps both, because the desirability is subjective, even to those doing the job. Regardless of how they felt, they were paid better than most to have their own opinions.

Public perception seldom mirrors reality.

Originally Posted by MoosePileit

Baiting, then.

Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr

I have to admit, most of the OP’s stuff sounds like jealousy from foreign pilots. ACMI guys here crush most foreign flag carriers’ salaries. While I don’t blame them for resenting being paid less while working harder, it’s a waste of their emotional energy. I don’t spend my days sweating how much money my company’s CEO makes.