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Old 03-23-2024, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr View Post
I figured this is closely related to the thread topic.

As I was sitting in my hotel room Thursday watching Bloomberg they ran a segment on FedEx’s earnings report. Obviously, the layoffs are important, but what stood out to me was the analyst who claimed that FedEx’s Express segment was barely breaking even. He claimed that their Ground business was doing high single digit profit margins, but the Express business was the weak link in their overall business model. I haven’t looked up the earnings report myself yet, but, if this is true, we (the overnight industry) may be in for a bit rougher ride.
If you read the quarterly report it shows Express as the weakest company in terms of profit by quite a significant margin. This quarter had a 2.3% margin for Express compared to 10.8% and 16% for Ground and Express, respectively. Express generated over $10B in revenue and about $233M in profit.

Raj made a point in his comments that Express was the main focus in business realignment and cost reduction.

FedEx Corporation is just fine as a whole, but there will be more tough days ahead for Express.
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Old 03-25-2024, 11:43 AM
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FDX is giving up 6 767 new build slots. Question is will Atlas grab the slots before UPS? Need to-replace the 40 year old 757 PW's some day. Becoming the new B-52. Fly it for 50 years.
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Old 03-25-2024, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence View Post
If you read the quarterly report it shows Express as the weakest company in terms of profit by quite a significant margin. This quarter had a 2.3% margin for Express compared to 10.8% and 16% for Ground and Express, respectively. Express generated over $10B in revenue and about $233M in profit.

Raj made a point in his comments that Express was the main focus in business realignment and cost reduction.

FedEx Corporation is just fine as a whole, but there will be more tough days ahead for Express.
There's no doubt that UPS as a whole is more profitable than FedEx as a whole.

Operating margin for UPS was 9.9%, and 11.2% adjusted for the 4Q2023
Opearting margin for FedEx was 5.7%, and 6.2% adjusted for 3Q2023

Interestingly enough, UPS operating margin went from 13% in 2022 to 10% in 2023.
And FedEx operating margins have increased from 4.7% to 5.7%.

With that said, you cannot pass judgement on FedEx Express, when there is no way to quantifiably compare the air network of UPS to the air network of FedEx. UPS air network could be worse, the same, or even better. The problem is, UPS does not breakout the profit margins of their air side because the entire company is under one network. Soon, FedEx will be the same way.
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Old 03-25-2024, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Cocoloco View Post
FDX is giving up 6 767 new build slots. Question is will Atlas grab the slots before UPS? Need to-replace the 40 year old 757 PW's some day. Becoming the new B-52. Fly it for 50 years.
Who knows, possibly scoop them up although Atlas's way forward is leaning towards more 777s. When opportunities arise businesses tend to lean forward so there may be some validity to it. Makes more sense for Brown to step in as you mentioned.
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Old 03-26-2024, 07:27 AM
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Who knows, possibly scoop them up although Atlas's way forward is leaning towards more 777s. When opportunities arise businesses tend to lean forward so there may be some validity to it. Makes more sense for Brown to step in as you mentioned.
Although I think snapping up more factory new 76 freighters would be in UPS’ best interest, the company is in cost cutting mode and I doubt it will be willing to add that extra capital expenditure right now. Penny wise, pound foolish.
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Old 03-26-2024, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr View Post
Although I think snapping up more factory new 76 freighters would be in UPS’ best interest, the company is in cost cutting mode and I doubt it will be willing to add that extra capital expenditure right now. Penny wise, pound foolish.
Investor conference today speaks to CAPEX. I wouldn't be surprised if we picked up these 767s.
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Old 03-26-2024, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cocoloco View Post
FDX is giving up 6 767 new build slots. Question is will Atlas grab the slots before UPS? Need to-replace the 40 year old 757 PW's some day. Becoming the new B-52. Fly it for 50 years.
Giving up hard delivery slots and not exercising 7 options (which is what they announced) are two totally different things.
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Old 03-26-2024, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Cachaco View Post
Giving up hard delivery slots and not exercising 7 options (which is what they announced) are two totally different things.
Very true. One has been hammered out as a need vs a want as in a replacement vs expansion/growth depending on the climate. We all know it's better to cancel an option. Where are those A350F's anyway? 2026 maybe, perhaps that's the plan...
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Old 04-05-2024, 06:25 PM
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Back to the original post...
Soon there will be a lot of ex purple over at Brown
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Old 04-05-2024, 10:35 PM
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Soon there will be a lot of ex purple over at Brown
I highly doubt it. Anyone leaving purple is headed to the big three.
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