I hope he gets the call too!!

 

Think we got involuntarily split off. Which is maybe fair, as the original thread was about hiring, I think.

 

Ha. Perhaps that’s his problem even the hiring department knows nobody in their right mind should want to work here that bad.

 

You won't get an answer, he's a professional one upper and super troll. I doubt anything he has typed on here has been true.

 

This, from someone who calls themself "APCbot?" Seriously?

You're not entitled to anything more than I provide. I do not provide names and former employers. Ever. If you want me to cite names of employers or a resume, standby for disappointment. It 's not happening. I also don't name spouse, pets, neighbors, or the butcher at the grocery store. Years ago I did mention a comment in a passing, ancillary way, made on a recent flight, and the next day received a call from the chief pilot. It had been his comment. He recognized himself, and both read the site, and apparently, knew me by screen name. Don't do that, he said, and lesson learned. I'm careful about what's posted, for good reason.

Nothing I have ever put here, or elsewhere is untrue. I don't guess. I don't speculate. I certainly don't invent. I do not embellish.

If you find having been furloughed to be fanciful, then you have had a very sheltered career, indeed.

If you don't like the word count, don't read it. Who put the gun to your head and forced you?

Don't put words in my mouth. I speak very well for myself. Speak for yourself, if you think yourself capable

Some of you have heartburn over the counsel given: don't sit around crying about the call you didn't get: improve the resume, and find the work you can get. There's really no room to object to that counsel; it's correct. There's no fault to be found in it. It does not discourage the applicant (I told him to keep his conditional job offer, and be ready to respond). The counsel to not count unhatched chickens (or agonize over them) is neither new, nor novel. Go figure.

I see there are several very dedicated posters on the UPS forum in particular, who spend a lot of time counseling applicants and new hires, and who provide an enormous amount of valuable information. They are best equipped to counsel the poster with the conditional job offer, who has not been called, about who to follow up with, what he can or can't do, projections, and so forth. I addressed none of that; I saw a poster who agonized for an extended period about calls others were getting and calls he was not, and reminded him that public countdown for days, weeks, and months not called wasn't getting him closer. His focus appeared to be on one company. I suggested he expand his search and his horizons; don't put all the eggs in one basket. Not really controversial counsel.

A number of posters opined that hiring is dead, that it can't be found at any level. That is not true. I pointed that out. One might be forgiven if one doesn't know what's being offered, or follow the job market, for discouraging applicants by telling them the industry is dead, with no hiring...but that's bad counsel, and false information. Don't bark at me for providing correct information. Hiring is going on, domestically and abroad. If one isn't being hired at the place one desires, wherever that may be, then apply everywhere else and take what one can get. Is it right that one has a conditional job offer and isn't called to class? I don't comment on that. The fact is that he hasn't been called. Agonize over it, or do something about it. One can hold on to that conditional job offer, and still expand one's search at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive. Does the conditional job offer letter not come with a statement that it does not guarantee a job? Until that job is guaranteed, then keep improving that resume. Again, not controversial; not debatable. Upgrade. Shoot for check airman, instructor, or enhancements. If neither are options, look for work where such are possible. One need not give up one's dreams, nor give up hope. Work is available, and one can expand the resume and the job search while keeping that conditional offer handy and ready to go. One can do both.

For those whose undergarments are wadded by this counsel, that's unfortunate. It's correct, not speculative, and not a function of opinion. It's the truth. I spoke of furlough and finding work during the furlough. If this troubles you, tough. It's the past. I can't go back and change it. I won'g agonize over it. The point was simple: like tens of thousands of others in this industry, I've been furloughed. One can dwell on it, or expand one's search and find other work, which I did. The work i found was neither glamorous, nor to others also looking, desirable. Others turned it down, and when unable to find work, came back to ask, but found the job was gone. The point was simple: don't overlook available work, even if you think you're above it. Do what it takes to get where you want, and if you're not getting the call, do something about it.

 

Notice he still didn't answer the question.

 

You have a reading comprehension problem.

I told you I'm not going to. You just quoted me telling you.

You really missed the point.

 

According to the google machine, several companies furloughed in 2009. Does it matter which?