Not sure of the dates, but February class date calls have already gone out, I think one starts February 13

13 & 27 Feb

I am in the pool as of Jan 26, 2017. I am trying to get a feel for how long I will be sitting here before I get a class date? I saw the February class dates have been filled. How many total have been hired in 2017?

When Pigs Fly,
I just spent Friday with 5 of my Delta buddies. Every last one of them would change places with me..they all made Captain after 17 years, on the 737, no A-Plan, PBS and when I told them about our OCV deal they told me stop talking!
Need to get out more..

73 hired and placed in class for the 3 classes in January. It's rumored that we will see 24 every 2 weeks through roughly August so that everyone is through training for peak.

That would be approx. 409 for the year if we include 48 in AUG....That would be more than announced and completely kewl!

Also to add to Boilers list:

Vacation policy is a big consideration. 2 weeks converted into 4 weeks off (I got this basically at the bottom of my fleet). I can easily bid to get at least, at least!, a scheduled week off before and after that vacation time = 6 weeks (even up to 7-8 with trading) off for 2 weeks of vacay. 10+ year guys can do this twice a year. That's 3-4 months off a year. Paid. 15+ year guys get another week of vacay ontop of that and they have the joy of conflict bidding = even more paid time off.

Health bennies compared to the pax guys. Ours are far superior. That is way overlooked.

International flying. If that is your thing FedEx / UPS offers that type of flying right off the bat and you can do some stuff you'll never or barely ever get to do at the pax carriers.

Commutability: a huge percentage of our skeds are built for commuters. We have guys living all over the world. Guys can (and do) take a year in Europe, Asia etc from day 1 vs waiting years for seniority to do so. That ties into PBS vs hard lines...

Pay: we have a guarantee of 81.2 hrs/cal month. Delta is 65 for line holders, Ual 70 or something in that ball park. No matter what, at ups you will bring in good coin. There were times, and not too long ago at DAL where guys were at guarantee, not a green slip in sights, and PS checks worth pocket change in comparison. Yeah we furloughed, so did everyone else.

The union: small, 1.5% dues, no real BS or dirty politics, very unified.

The downsides:

The air district management and administration at UPS is plagued by mediocrity and apathy which has its largest effect on the quality of our employment. Yes, it's getting better...at a snails pace.

Hours of operation: back side of the clock sux no matter how you dice it up while intl takes its toll with flip flops and 24hr l/o's. There is some day flying but most of the schedules are challenging.

Domiciles: limited, none convenient to commuters, and none in especially desireable areas.

Back then, it was a no brainer. This is a new decade. That's what I'm saying. You bring up the pension. Can you without a doubt say it will be there. There is a long list of companies starting with Bethlehem Steel to show what happens in globalization and with business model changes. If anyone has a chance of getting one its UPS and FedEx but in no way guaranteed. Thus, if that the one reason guys are coming here its as a long shot as is profit sharing continuing at 15% for the next 15 years.

UPS has been around 109 (ha!) years, and has evolved its business model for more than a century.

While it would be foolish to proclaim "never!", I believe it is unlikely that UPS would enter Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings leading to termination of employee pension plans the same way many other companies (including legacy airlines) have.

One can only take so many variables into account with their long-term prognostications...

Stop being silly. Everyone knows our brown uniforms are the sexiest of them all. Especially the pants! :D



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