Agree. The company pushing VERY hard for PBS is one of the reasons we got OCV. I certainly love it!

I will imagine it will be bullet number one for them in '21 to get PBS or OCV changed!!!

Lets just hope we have a good negotiation team and EB in place!!

I have done a little research and I am going to have to take exception to your account that ties OCV to PBS.

I was one of the volunteers for picketing at the UPS Investors conference in New York City a few years ago. At the time we recieved a short briefing on where we were with the contract. Pretty much the only thing of substance we were told, and it was necessarily short on specifics, was that the vacation section had been closed and there was a huge Improvement that we were going to like. Scheduling and to whatever extent it was seriously on the table PBS, was still open but vacation was closed.

There is no connection between the company's PBS proposal and our OCV. OCV came from the IPA belief that vacation on off days is not vacation. There was a real commitment that every crewmember from the top of the list to the bottom should be able to use their full vacation benefit. It's nothing short of a coup that we succeeded.

During negotiations you go in with a long list of "wants" and pit it against the list of company "haves". If you get a couple of the wants on your list, you've done well.

Let's not diminish the executive board and negotiators accomplishments here. It's just as dangerous to underestimate the company. To assign the inclusion of OCV to a memory lapse by the company sells both parties a bit short.

I just confirmed my recollection of the process with an eb member and he confirmed it. I've talked with a few negotiators over the last year and no one made any connection between ocv and PBS. The concepts of ocv and PBS are pretty much mutually exclusive.

It was much more of a case of salesmanship with UPS making one assumption and our team making another. It was not the job of our team to correct the company's faulty assumptions about how our group would behave and I'm told we may have even encouraged their line of thought. Someone was going to be right and someone was going to be wrong. Our side's assumptions are being proven right daily.

I guess we are hearing different things. OCV was never offered without PBS. It was put in to make PBS more attractive. Ask yourself why UPS would ever offer OCV by itself??? There is absolutely no reason they would ever offer such a deal without it being attached to something else(PBS). Hey guys, how bout you take an entire pay period off with pay, or work and we will pay you extra. I tend to believe they ****ed up and made a very rare contractual mistake. Anyway, like I said before, enjoy it, cause it's awesome!!!!!

OCV and vacation slide were suggestions given to the union via the website when crew members could offer contract suggestions.

A little clarification. It was not part of PBS, it came from our side of the table. IPA born and bred.

The company approved it while PBS and other conflict rules were still on the table, apparently feeling that whatever ground they lost with OCV would be made up when we caved on PBS and conflict bidding.

Way down the road the company realized that we weren't going to budge on those areas and wanted OCV back, but the mediator agreed with us that it had already been TA'd as a stand alone item.

We all ***** about quality of life items, but the ability to have two 6 to 8 week periods of time off twice a year, plus another nice break when the slide starts next year is a pretty big plus in that column.

Like FO4life says, enjoy it!

This is what I have heard multiple times. Company thought they could reopen any TA'd section towards the end and the NMB said no. BT told us at the SDF roadshow that the company had nearly instantaneous buyer's remorse on OCV, never mentioned any connection to PBS.

Application question:

After spending a lot of time browsing about brown, it seems like lots of people have a hard time updating their apps once they are submitted. From what I've seen it seems like low qualification applicants get the quick thanks but no thanks and then are unable to update as qualifications improve. I already have apps out at a few other places, and update them on the regular, however since I am nowhere close to having "competitive" qualifications yet would I be better off just waiting to start an app for UPS after my times are a bit higher? If ones app ends up "on-file" (unable to update) can you reapply at a later date or are you just SOL?

Nothing lost in applying now; you'd have to reapply on 1 Jan 18 anyway as the company basically flushes applications the end of each year.

+1

I'm sure I'm not the only guy to suggest that a vacation day should be a dropped work day. not some day with with half pay that you already had off.

Anything agreed has signatures and is heavily scrutinized before it is TA'ed. No accident, but don't know who is passing history. My understanding was OCV was heavily negotiated front and center as a standalone quality of life issue.