Hearing a lot of No
01-08-2015, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I think it still favors a yes vote, but not by that much. It will be interesting to see what impact the BOD/NC's attitude is in the coming weeks and the final language. If it passes, in 2020 there will be many of the same varied rationalizations for capitulation then as we hear now. AA pilots have a long history of giving in and in 2020 there will be no catharsis or epiphany. The U turn is made here or we go off the cliff.
If it passes, the bright side is that Delta will be going for OUR hourly rate in their next contract. Yeah, they have profit sharing, but they will use our rates as the next bar, just as we are using theirs.
01-08-2015, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I think it still favors a yes vote, but not by that much. It will be interesting to see what impact the BOD/NC's attitude is in the coming weeks and the final language. If it passes, in 2020 there will be many of the same varied rationalizations for capitulation then as we hear now. AA pilots have a long history of giving in and in 2020 there will be no catharsis or epiphany. The U turn is made here or we go off the cliff.
01-08-2015, 06:31 PM
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If your contract became amendable in 2020, and let's say it took until 2022 to complete negotiations/mediation; how many pilots will have retired at New AA by then? Are these pilots automatic yes voters?
01-08-2015, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MarineGrunt
I don't think a yes vote necessarily means the pilot group will roll over in 2020... Unless we're looking at another 26% raise. That has been an awfully big carrot for most. So if this vote is close, and mgmt doesn't bring something pretty darn shiny to the table, then I'd say we fight em pretty hard in section 6. I was a yes vote, turned into a no, and will be a F-NO in 2020 unless we get the Delta contract or better.
If it passes, the bright side is that Delta will be going for OUR hourly rate in their next contract. Yeah, they have profit sharing, but they will use our rates as the next bar, just as we are using theirs.
If it passes, the bright side is that Delta will be going for OUR hourly rate in their next contract. Yeah, they have profit sharing, but they will use our rates as the next bar, just as we are using theirs.
01-08-2015, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkeyfly
If your contract became amendable in 2020, and let's say it took until 2022 to complete negotiations/mediation; how many pilots will have retired at New AA by then? Are these pilots automatic yes voters?
01-08-2015, 07:17 PM
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Once it goes to a membership vote it has a very good chance of passing... That is why Kirby went straight to the membership...
It is why Glass is not done trying to bloody the BOD and make them irrelevant. If the BOD stands up to management then expect things to get more turbulent... More self appointed "leaders" will attack the BOD and try to cause division, to force an early and hasty vote..
Glass has a lot more tricks to make the members mad at the BOD. We need to be on guard. Let the BOD know what you think and unify around their decisions. Don't be a part of the problem.. Don't help Glass.
And whatever you do, don't get caught trespassing at Kirby's house, it would be a detriment to his QOL:
AA Merger Magic for Our Real Estate Market: US Air Exec Snaps up Sharif & Munir Mansion on Strait Lane | Candy's Dirt
It is why Glass is not done trying to bloody the BOD and make them irrelevant. If the BOD stands up to management then expect things to get more turbulent... More self appointed "leaders" will attack the BOD and try to cause division, to force an early and hasty vote..
Glass has a lot more tricks to make the members mad at the BOD. We need to be on guard. Let the BOD know what you think and unify around their decisions. Don't be a part of the problem.. Don't help Glass.
And whatever you do, don't get caught trespassing at Kirby's house, it would be a detriment to his QOL:
AA Merger Magic for Our Real Estate Market: US Air Exec Snaps up Sharif & Munir Mansion on Strait Lane | Candy's Dirt
01-08-2015, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Could you provide, with your experience at AA, the history of giving in that you've experienced at AA? What were the causes for the 'giving in'? How did you vote?
). One doesn't need to work here to identify the failures. It always seems there's an excuse for giving in just as there is this time. Come 2020, there will be an excuse then too, unless we as a group choose differently while we still have leverage and relevance.
01-08-2015, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkeyfly
If your contract became amendable in 2020, and let's say it took until 2022 to complete negotiations/mediation; how many pilots will have retired at New AA by then? Are these pilots automatic yes voters?
That's pretty optimistic. Former AA management has kicked the can in the past for 5, I believe and some regionals (TSA I think) are over 5. If Parker can't milk the next amendment round for at least that, he's losing his touch and he's the father of all can-kickers.
01-08-2015, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hueypilot
Even though I favor approving this particular proposal, I will very likely be a "F-NO" vote in 2020 as well unless they present a solid proposal that restores QOL issues. Pay at that point won't be a huge player for me.
Boy are we gonna have fun then, eh ?
Pay will be a huge player for the majority in their later 50's and 60's and FAST ! The faster, the better. There will be plenty of rationalization for it, just like now. Heck, I may even sit in on divorce court, just so I can include knowledge of just how arbitrations go as one of my many rationalizations.
It won't likely matter though. What are we going to tell Parker and Glass then ?
That we are really, really serious this time ?
Actually, that may be a good strategy. There might be a chance both of them will suffer fatal heart attacks laughing themselves to the floor or perhaps hit their heads on the way down ?
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