4 ABX 767's going out for bid
08-27-2014, 08:08 PM
#211
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
I don't care how peeved off you might be, you better think a little more about what you are saying before you post.
Statements like this are waaay over the top and will get you banned for very good reasons.
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Statements like this are waaay over the top and will get you banned for very good reasons.
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08-27-2014, 08:11 PM
#212
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Originally Posted by Midway
I have to compliment the shrewdness of the Atlas Air group. They have been able to co-opt the Local 1224 infrastructure, use it to syphon off Abx Air pilot positions, take control of a substantial Abx Air pilot funded union war chest and further their own interests all while appearing to promote union solidarity. The Abx Air pilot group is on its heels thanks to the current 1224 leadership. Look at the substandard 737 Southern deal being blessed by the 1224 Teamster leadership plus the shifting of assets away from Abx to Atlas. This has not been by chance. It has been a well-orchestrated strategy - So much for the letter of solidarity.
So now it is spun by CA Wells to say it is a good deal for Abx Air pilots for the planes to go to Atlas because of preferential hiring. Ok, so take a 17-year Abx guy and put him as a new hire at the bottom of the Atlas list. Atlas gets an experienced already trained Abx pilot, at first year pay and benefits and DHL maintains system integrity. Now DHL has a first year pay scale pilot doing the same job for much less at Atlas.
CA Wells says DHL and Atlas management are OK with the plan for preferential hiring. I am sure they are.
So now it is spun by CA Wells to say it is a good deal for Abx Air pilots for the planes to go to Atlas because of preferential hiring. Ok, so take a 17-year Abx guy and put him as a new hire at the bottom of the Atlas list. Atlas gets an experienced already trained Abx pilot, at first year pay and benefits and DHL maintains system integrity. Now DHL has a first year pay scale pilot doing the same job for much less at Atlas.
CA Wells says DHL and Atlas management are OK with the plan for preferential hiring. I am sure they are.
08-27-2014, 08:30 PM
#213
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(ATSG was not making much money off those 4 airplanes).
WILMINGTON, Ohio--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
Air Transport Services Group, Inc. (ATSG) said today that its airline subsidiary, ABX Air, has received termination notices from DHL affecting four DHL-owned Boeing 767-200 freighter aircraft that ABX Air leases and operates within the U.S. under terms of the Crew, Maintenance and Insurance (CMI) agreement between the companies. DHL sought bids to operate the aircraft from other vendors earlier this year.
The notices are effective in late December 2014 for two aircraft, and in January 2015 for the two remaining aircraft. This reduction in CMI operations for DHL will likely reduce ATSG’s earnings from continuing operations by less than one cent per share in 2015. Excluding those four aircraft, ATSG currently operates 21 freighter aircraft over scheduled routes for DHL, including 17 Boeing 767s and four Boeing 757s.
WILMINGTON, Ohio--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
Air Transport Services Group, Inc. (ATSG) said today that its airline subsidiary, ABX Air, has received termination notices from DHL affecting four DHL-owned Boeing 767-200 freighter aircraft that ABX Air leases and operates within the U.S. under terms of the Crew, Maintenance and Insurance (CMI) agreement between the companies. DHL sought bids to operate the aircraft from other vendors earlier this year.
The notices are effective in late December 2014 for two aircraft, and in January 2015 for the two remaining aircraft. This reduction in CMI operations for DHL will likely reduce ATSG’s earnings from continuing operations by less than one cent per share in 2015. Excluding those four aircraft, ATSG currently operates 21 freighter aircraft over scheduled routes for DHL, including 17 Boeing 767s and four Boeing 757s.
08-27-2014, 09:02 PM
#214
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Originally Posted by Midway
I have to compliment the shrewdness of the Atlas Air group. They have been able to co-opt the Local 1224 infrastructure, use it to syphon off Abx Air pilot positions, take control of a substantial Abx Air pilot funded union war chest and further their own interests all while appearing to promote union solidarity. The Abx Air pilot group is on its heels thanks to the current 1224 leadership. Look at the substandard 737 Southern deal being blessed by the 1224 Teamster leadership plus the shifting of assets away from Abx to Atlas. This has not been by chance. It has been a well-orchestrated strategy - So much for the letter of solidarity.
So now it is spun by CA Wells to say it is a good deal for Abx Air pilots for the planes to go to Atlas because of preferential hiring. Ok, so take a 17-year Abx guy and put him as a new hire at the bottom of the Atlas list. Atlas gets an experienced already trained Abx pilot, at first year pay and benefits and DHL maintains system integrity. Now DHL has a first year pay scale pilot doing the same job for much less at Atlas.
CA Wells says DHL and Atlas management are OK with the plan for preferential hiring. I am sure they are.
So now it is spun by CA Wells to say it is a good deal for Abx Air pilots for the planes to go to Atlas because of preferential hiring. Ok, so take a 17-year Abx guy and put him as a new hire at the bottom of the Atlas list. Atlas gets an experienced already trained Abx pilot, at first year pay and benefits and DHL maintains system integrity. Now DHL has a first year pay scale pilot doing the same job for much less at Atlas.
CA Wells says DHL and Atlas management are OK with the plan for preferential hiring. I am sure they are.
08-27-2014, 09:02 PM
#215
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Originally Posted by Brand X
Says the ex-Astar pilot. You would be just a little biased.
08-27-2014, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Midway
I have to compliment the shrewdness of the Atlas Air group. They have been able to co-opt the Local 1224 infrastructure, use it to syphon off Abx Air pilot positions, take control of a substantial Abx Air pilot funded union war chest and further their own interests all while appearing to promote union solidarity. The Abx Air pilot group is on its heels thanks to the current 1224 leadership. Look at the substandard 737 Southern deal being blessed by the 1224 Teamster leadership plus the shifting of assets away from Abx to Atlas. This has not been by chance. It has been a well-orchestrated strategy - So much for the letter of solidarity.
So now it is spun by CA Wells to say it is a good deal for Abx Air pilots for the planes to go to Atlas because of preferential hiring. Ok, so take a 17-year Abx guy and put him as a new hire at the bottom of the Atlas list. Atlas gets an experienced already trained Abx pilot, at first year pay and benefits and DHL maintains system integrity. Now DHL has a first year pay scale pilot doing the same job for much less at Atlas.
CA Wells says DHL and Atlas management are OK with the plan for preferential hiring. I am sure they are.
So now it is spun by CA Wells to say it is a good deal for Abx Air pilots for the planes to go to Atlas because of preferential hiring. Ok, so take a 17-year Abx guy and put him as a new hire at the bottom of the Atlas list. Atlas gets an experienced already trained Abx pilot, at first year pay and benefits and DHL maintains system integrity. Now DHL has a first year pay scale pilot doing the same job for much less at Atlas.
CA Wells says DHL and Atlas management are OK with the plan for preferential hiring. I am sure they are.
08-27-2014, 11:00 PM
#219
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Originally Posted by Midway
I have to compliment the shrewdness of the Atlas Air group. They have been able to co-opt the Local 1224 infrastructure, use it to syphon off Abx Air pilot positions, take control of a substantial Abx Air pilot funded union war chest and further their own interests all while appearing to promote union solidarity. The Abx Air pilot group is on its heels thanks to the current 1224 leadership. Look at the substandard 737 Southern deal being blessed by the 1224 Teamster leadership plus the shifting of assets away from Abx to Atlas. This has not been by chance. It has been a well-orchestrated strategy - So much for the letter of solidarity.
So now it is spun by CA Wells to say it is a good deal for Abx Air pilots for the planes to go to Atlas because of preferential hiring. Ok, so take a 17-year Abx guy and put him as a new hire at the bottom of the Atlas list. Atlas gets an experienced already trained Abx pilot, at first year pay and benefits and DHL maintains system integrity. Now DHL has a first year pay scale pilot doing the same job for much less at Atlas.
CA Wells says DHL and Atlas management are OK with the plan for preferential hiring. I am sure they are.
So now it is spun by CA Wells to say it is a good deal for Abx Air pilots for the planes to go to Atlas because of preferential hiring. Ok, so take a 17-year Abx guy and put him as a new hire at the bottom of the Atlas list. Atlas gets an experienced already trained Abx pilot, at first year pay and benefits and DHL maintains system integrity. Now DHL has a first year pay scale pilot doing the same job for much less at Atlas.
CA Wells says DHL and Atlas management are OK with the plan for preferential hiring. I am sure they are.
Ready, fire, aim conspiracy theory drivel. Unfortunate situations such as this will always bring out the must blame someone mentality.
I would normally not give first posts such as these the time of day. But in the 1% chance that you're not a troll, do you care to provide evidence to your reckless accusations on Atlas' Exco?
Look, I feel your pain and have been there myself. I sincerely hope that all ABXers land on their feet. But posts such as yours is nothing but a disservice to your brethren.
08-27-2014, 11:37 PM
#220
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I think most of us "get it".....Atlas, Kalitta and other bid it... the "Giants" got it... what many take offense at is the callousness in which CA Wells in his 1224 announcement stated .. and I paraphrase...."if ABX wasn't going to get it.. its best that Atlas did"... says the head of the union and an ATLAS CA.... just a bit more tact might have been warranted.
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