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Anyone ever non rev/JS with golf clubs? Do we pay an extra charge?
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Have not had the pleasure to test in the last few yrs, but I have never been charged for clubs. You do have to see the 'oversized' tsa folks before going thru security.
Although a pain. Check the full travelnet page and look at the hidden notes for nonrevs.
Although a pain. Check the full travelnet page and look at the hidden notes for nonrevs.
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The beauty is if they give you less than 10 hours of rest, they can't touch you until after your DH blocks in + at least 10 hours of rest. If you got 10 hours of rest before the DH then, they can assign flying to you. Pick your poison.
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You don't need any sleep to do a deadhead. A deadhead is a non-functioning task. You just sit there. Are you saying if you blocked into a west cost city at 10pm you would wait until the next morning to leave or hop on the midnight redeye home? Some pilots may choose the hotel while others will bail. Either way you are not a danger sitting fatigued in a passenger seat.
The beauty is if they give you less than 10 hours of rest, they can't touch you until after your DH blocks in + at least 10 hours of rest. If you got 10 hours of rest before the DH then, they can assign flying to you. Pick your poison.
The beauty is if they give you less than 10 hours of rest, they can't touch you until after your DH blocks in + at least 10 hours of rest. If you got 10 hours of rest before the DH then, they can assign flying to you. Pick your poison.
There are times I would choose the hotel and there are times I would deviate from DH as in your example. Bear in mind, there are markets where the earlier DH deviation is not an option. So now I'm stuck with another company mandated crappy rest period. I want the option to choose for myself whether I am well rested or not.
Your example of assigned flying applies primarily to IROPS, which are not the norm, and reserves which is also a small percentage. But the scheduled 9 hour layover is becoming more prevalent in bid packages. It is a way of squeezing more productivity out of us at a cost of long term health...an argument could be extended to the 10 hour layovers as well IMO.
The preponderance of stacked sub 11-hour layovers drove me off the 717. Absolutely hate them.
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117 got many things wrong, but the hard work 10 hour min layover, not reduceable, is one thing that they got right.
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And yet prior to FAR 117 (widely criticized here) NINE hour layovers were quite common... reduceable to eight, for the flying crew! Yep, part 121 was all a bed of roses. I was actually shocked the first time I flew one of those as it truly did approach the unsafe realm.
117 got many things wrong, but the hard work 10 hour min layover, not reduceable, is one thing that they got right.
117 got many things wrong, but the hard work 10 hour min layover, not reduceable, is one thing that they got right.
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And yet prior to FAR 117 (widely criticized here) NINE hour layovers were quite common... reduceable to eight, for the flying crew! Yep, part 121 was all a bed of roses. I was actually shocked the first time I flew one of those as it truly did approach the unsafe realm.
117 got many things wrong, but the hard work 10 hour min layover, not reduceable, is one thing that they got right.
117 got many things wrong, but the hard work 10 hour min layover, not reduceable, is one thing that they got right.
Or we could look at other carriers who do it correctly and have 12 hour minimum layovers. Which do you prefer?
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Novel concept isn't it?......that our working agreement should set a higher standard of safe operations than the faa regs?
schedule with safety and all......yuk yuk.
schedule with safety and all......yuk yuk.
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Before the DALPA attack dogs come after me, I'll admit that ALPA safety has historically done tremendous work in advancing safety. But DALPA needs to do much better. There is an article out today that cites AA's pilot union chief as calling out his company for pilot pushing. That's how a true pilot advocate acts.
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