Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-15-2012, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Are they going to make us suffer all weekend in suspense or put the results out by close of business tomorrow?
It's probably already done, now they have to go through and 'proof read' it, and then tweak it if they don't like how many training events the waterfall creates. They can adjust the amount of backfilling done, run it again and again, just like PBS, until they get the numbers they want.
Still, as it's a pretty small bid, so I would expect to see it published NLT tomorrow, 5pm.
03-15-2012, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
He's Timbo. Chuck Norris and the other Tim (Tebow) quiver in his presence.
Hey, did you see Tebow on TV last night?
Late Night with Jimmy Fallon. It was a repeat from just before the Super Bowl, he was in Indy. I'm guessing that's about as close to the Super Bowl Tebow is going to get for awhile!
And was Payton Manning really in Denver last week, talking to them? That's gotta hurt!
Alright, it's getting warm and windy out, I'm going sailing now. T2,when you coming down for some cat sailing?
03-15-2012, 08:59 AM
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I've been displaced for 57 mins, when are they going to tell me what I get to do next?
03-15-2012, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
It's probably already done, now they have to go through and 'proof read' it, and then tweak it if they don't like how many training events the waterfall creates. They can adjust the amount of backfilling done, run it again and again, just like PBS, until they get the numbers they want.
Still, as it's a pretty small bid, so I would expect to see it published NLT tomorrow, 5pm.
Still, as it's a pretty small bid, so I would expect to see it published NLT tomorrow, 5pm.
03-15-2012, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You're clearly correct. The only question now is, what strategy do us line pukes employ now that we KNOW our bargaining agent has this intention.
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After digging several wells looking for information, I'm not sure my initial reaction to our MEC publications was entirely accurate. The regional guys got to see something and what they saw might not be big picture, or might be a reheated version of the "brand scope" porridge that is served as a distraction while we're carving up steak. There is a lot we are not being told for both competitive and labor reasons. Bastian came close to letting the cat out of the bag and says he is going to talk about it more later.
Trying to connect the dots can be successful. There are only a limited number of possible solutions which work for management. Connecting dots also lead John Nash into schizophrenia. Since we're not as smart as he was, we should be safe here
03-15-2012, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
You meant unlike PBS. The company cannot change the parameters of the PBS program without DALPA's PBS committee consent. We have a lot more control over PBS than any other pilot group at any airline in the US.
I was on the original PBS QC Committee when we first got PBS, I know all about it. I got burned out on it and left it to better men.
And yes, the company CAN and WILL re-run PBS using different threshold values, stack heights, etc. until they get the right amount of open time and reserves available, within the MOU's of course, but they do multiple runs using different thresholds, that's why it takes more than 5 minutes to run the bids every month.
They do the same thing with every A/E.
03-15-2012, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Bastian came close to letting the cat out of the bag and says he is going to talk about it more later... There are only a limited number of possible solutions which work for management.
Except for pig-headedness.
It's time for engagement to be productive. There are some among us that think engagement is anathema to being union members, and some that think constructive engagement has been 100% successful. I think it's been mostly successful, but the test of any engagement must always remain the results. The purpose of engagement is not the relationship, but the mutual benefits. As long as both sides work well each other, we remain engageed. I'd advocate for a policy of results-based engagement, or productive engagement.
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03-15-2012, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I was on the original PBS QC Committee when we first got PBS, I know all about it. I got burned out on it and left it to better men.
And yes, the company CAN and WILL re-run PBS using different threshold values, stack heights, etc. until they get the right amount of open time and reserves available, within the MOU's of course, but they do multiple runs using different thresholds, that's why it takes more than 5 minutes to run the bids every month.
They do the same thing with every A/E.
And yes, the company CAN and WILL re-run PBS using different threshold values, stack heights, etc. until they get the right amount of open time and reserves available, within the MOU's of course, but they do multiple runs using different thresholds, that's why it takes more than 5 minutes to run the bids every month.
They do the same thing with every A/E.
No argument from me WRT AE's: they really, really **** with those things far too much.
03-15-2012, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
And was Payton Manning really in Denver last week, talking to them? That's gotta hurt!
03-15-2012, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Jesse,
Agreed except for the pulling into the gate PA - I have seen everyone get up and start pulling stuff from the overhead and inevetialby the plane will taxi into the gate with one of the many wand-waivers who failed the class on proportionality, and go from full taxi to dead stop in .00000001 second.
Once the herd senses freedom and all jump up it is too late - the only way to prevent this is a pro-active PA and no one is sleeping at this point.
As far as all the other PAs go it is frigging ridiculous - waaay too many! Oh and at the last Council 16 meeting guys were complaining to the Chief Pilot about delays while waiting for the safety demo video (DALs manifesto) to stop playing. The consensus was that it was too long.
But I guess audible harassment is just part of the Air travel experience:
***In the interest of air safety ........blah, blah, blah......
***Hey listen folks I am an electronic cart with a 120db beeper to annoy the crap out of you.
Sooner or later some airport will pay a consulting firm a 7 figure fee to tell them that a quiet and pleasant experience is preferred to being continually audibly assaulted.
Scoop
And for the Navy guy giving his resume over the PA - Pathetic!
Agreed except for the pulling into the gate PA - I have seen everyone get up and start pulling stuff from the overhead and inevetialby the plane will taxi into the gate with one of the many wand-waivers who failed the class on proportionality, and go from full taxi to dead stop in .00000001 second.
Once the herd senses freedom and all jump up it is too late - the only way to prevent this is a pro-active PA and no one is sleeping at this point.
As far as all the other PAs go it is frigging ridiculous - waaay too many! Oh and at the last Council 16 meeting guys were complaining to the Chief Pilot about delays while waiting for the safety demo video (DALs manifesto) to stop playing. The consensus was that it was too long.
But I guess audible harassment is just part of the Air travel experience:
***In the interest of air safety ........blah, blah, blah......
***Hey listen folks I am an electronic cart with a 120db beeper to annoy the crap out of you.
Sooner or later some airport will pay a consulting firm a 7 figure fee to tell them that a quiet and pleasant experience is preferred to being continually audibly assaulted.
Scoop
And for the Navy guy giving his resume over the PA - Pathetic!
I get the reason for making the PA, but my annoyance at hearing so many unnecessary ones is what has me in favor of letting the FAs make the PA for pax who get up too early.
As a commuter I see enough stops short of the gate and on 95% of them no one makes a move to get up, but on 80% of them I hear the PA asking everyone to keep their seats. My thought is if they're getting up the FAs will say something (they do; when I've seen them stand up early the FAs are on top of it and tell them to sit down). Again, if the captain is worried about it, fine, he's got the call and I'm behind him. But when I'm in the left seat in 15 years I'll get to make the call.
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