Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-15-2012 | 10:25 AM
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In fact, it is usually OUR (DALPA) PBS guys who make suggestions to the company, about changing the stack heights, thresholds, etc. and doing mulitple runs, so not as many pilots get shuffled, unstacked, etc. I don't think the LEC guy was lying, and they do have a "mutual agreement" clause, that's why they have to do multiple runs.
If the DALPA QC guys don't like what they see, after the first run, they tell the company to "...change this and that, and run it again..." until they get numbers they can both agree on re. stack heights, reserves available, etc. That is the mutual agreement part.
If it were up to the company, they would do one run, award all the open time, (unstack every trip) and eliminate all the open time, have minimum reserves, or at least as few as they could get away with. And it would be ugly for us!
To be clear, I like our PBS system, now that I know how to bid! I got my first choice of days off, and trips, and I'm only at 50% of line holders in my category. BUT... if as the MEC claims, the AVERAGE pilot is flying 87 (not me, only 73 the last two months and next month!) then PBS has cost us Thousands of jobs.
87-75=12 extra hours, per pilot, on average. Let's leave out 33% for reserves and stuck in training, that leaves about 8,000pilots flying 12 extra hours. That equates to 96,000 extra hours being flown, per month. Divide that by 75 hours and you see we have eliminated the need for about 1,280 pilots, to do the same flying.
Want to know why you ain't movin' up? That's why.
Keep parking trips and you'll see more backwards movement.
If the DALPA QC guys don't like what they see, after the first run, they tell the company to "...change this and that, and run it again..." until they get numbers they can both agree on re. stack heights, reserves available, etc. That is the mutual agreement part.
If it were up to the company, they would do one run, award all the open time, (unstack every trip) and eliminate all the open time, have minimum reserves, or at least as few as they could get away with. And it would be ugly for us!
To be clear, I like our PBS system, now that I know how to bid! I got my first choice of days off, and trips, and I'm only at 50% of line holders in my category. BUT... if as the MEC claims, the AVERAGE pilot is flying 87 (not me, only 73 the last two months and next month!) then PBS has cost us Thousands of jobs.
87-75=12 extra hours, per pilot, on average. Let's leave out 33% for reserves and stuck in training, that leaves about 8,000pilots flying 12 extra hours. That equates to 96,000 extra hours being flown, per month. Divide that by 75 hours and you see we have eliminated the need for about 1,280 pilots, to do the same flying.
Want to know why you ain't movin' up? That's why.
Keep parking trips and you'll see more backwards movement.
Agree on PBS costing jobs.
I am absolutely, 100% against trip parking. In fact, I would advocate a cap, and closing some loopholes in Swap Board / SWF. Still, I was told parking only represents 1% of swap transactions, according to that same PBS guy. Hard to believe.
03-15-2012 | 10:28 AM
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Thanks Timbo. I might have misunderstood your original post.
Agree on PBS costing jobs.
I am absolutely, 100% against trip parking. In fact, I would advocate a cap, and closing some loopholes in Swap Board / SWF. Still, I was told parking only represents 1% of swap transactions, according to that same PBS guy. Hard to believe.
Agree on PBS costing jobs.
I am absolutely, 100% against trip parking. In fact, I would advocate a cap, and closing some loopholes in Swap Board / SWF. Still, I was told parking only represents 1% of swap transactions, according to that same PBS guy. Hard to believe.
Well...if that 1% number is true, HOW is the "Average" line guy flying 87 hours, EVERY MONTH??
Did anyone ask him that?
03-15-2012 | 10:32 AM
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Our section 1 opener was so weak that it was weak even as a "conceptional" opener. Heck it could even be "interpreted" to mean a massive scope sale of ultra large RJ's. How about for every 10 fifty seaters parked, DL management can add 9 "hundred seaters" and we get to claim we are "improving the production balance"? That's worst case if we go by block hours, but even if we go by ASM's, try on: for every 10 fifty seaters parked, management can outsource 4.9 "hundred" seaters. See, that still complies with our weaksauce conceptual opener.
Even a conceptual opener should be better than this in the most important section in the opener (section 1).
Even a conceptual opener should be better than this in the most important section in the opener (section 1).
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03-15-2012 | 10:36 AM
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I'm sure I'm in the minority.
Tough to stand between a crack-whoare and the crack.
03-15-2012 | 10:38 AM
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03-15-2012 | 10:45 AM
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While the PBS guy didn't talk about this, the Treasurer did. It was said at the last meeting, in the context of a FPL discussion, that 87 hours was the average pay hours per lineholder. This includes vacation, sick, etc.
Why not inlcude Reserves? I think they should.
At any rate... you got better numbers?
Why not inlcude Reserves? I think they should.
At any rate... you got better numbers?
03-15-2012 | 10:48 AM
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That is funny and for some reason reminded me of this:
Cool pilot story.
Once upon a time, a pilot asked a beautiful princess, "Will you marry me?"
The princess said, "No!" And the pilot lived happily ever after and flew jets all over the world and drove hot cars and banged skinny long-legged big-titted flight attendants and hunted and fished and went to topless bars and dated women half his age and drank whiskey and Captain Morgan and never heard *****ing and never paid child support or alimony and kept his house and guns and ate cold spam, potato chips and beans and blew enormous farts and never got cheated on while he was at work and all his friends and family thought he was frickin' cool as hell and he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up........ The end.
Cool pilot story.
Once upon a time, a pilot asked a beautiful princess, "Will you marry me?"
The princess said, "No!" And the pilot lived happily ever after and flew jets all over the world and drove hot cars and banged skinny long-legged big-titted flight attendants and hunted and fished and went to topless bars and dated women half his age and drank whiskey and Captain Morgan and never heard *****ing and never paid child support or alimony and kept his house and guns and ate cold spam, potato chips and beans and blew enormous farts and never got cheated on while he was at work and all his friends and family thought he was frickin' cool as hell and he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up........ The end.
The end.
Carl
03-15-2012 | 10:57 AM
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Gloopy our scope does not limit geared turbofans it is a seat count jet weight combination limit. If there was a 50/70/76 seat gtf out there, they could replace all of the current fleet of DCI jets with me tomorrow. DCI would by default get a 20 year repreive. Going for this limit is in effect a sunset clause on current generation jets.
Like I said, wait for a TA to make a determination. Unity is leverage and like it or hate it we as a group have to get behind the opener. It is that simple.
Like I said, wait for a TA to make a determination. Unity is leverage and like it or hate it we as a group have to get behind the opener. It is that simple.
And like I said, if we don't lower the number of allowable outsourced jets, we will never sunset DCI because not only will management never be able to pass up the opportunity to outsource 255 turbofan DC-9-10's, new technonogy will eventually lead to more efficient models even without GTF. There is an entire industry dedicated to designing and building "scope jets" and whatever we allow now will be maximized and shoved down our throats for decades to come.
03-15-2012 | 10:59 AM
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I've got a buddy retiring from USAF, wondering about airline career... where is the best place to send him to read for pay, career outlook at different airlines, who's hiring, what it's like at different airlines? I told him airlineapps.com and these forums, but really don't know what forums/threads would be best as I only read here. When I did the job search 13 years ago, I had a giant binder of charts from Kit Darby air apps or whatever... no idea what the current best spot is?
Thanks.
ps. I told him a Burger King manager job was likely superior if he could bag one...
Thanks.
ps. I told him a Burger King manager job was likely superior if he could bag one...
03-15-2012 | 11:00 AM
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While the PBS guy didn't talk about this, the Treasurer did. It was said at the last meeting, in the context of a FPL discussion, that 87 hours was the average pay hours per lineholder. This includes vacation, sick, etc.
Why not inlcude Reserves? I think they should.
At any rate... you got better numbers?
Why not inlcude Reserves? I think they should.
At any rate... you got better numbers?
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