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Old 03-27-2012 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I never said that NRT was not needed. I can see it becoming less significant as the point to point US to China markets are developed. that is probably why there are only 18 787s on order. I don't see it becoming much bigger than that..
Did you read what Anderson said a couple weeks ago about Haneda? In case not, he basically said that the Government of Japan is going to allow JAL more flights in/out of HND...and since we don't have a code share partner over there, like AA and UAL, with JAL and ANA, we will be left out in the cold.

Sounded a lot like he wants some HND slots big time...so why do we need NRT if we get them? He could overfly Japan for some of the 'interport' destinations, and just serve HND from LAX and NYC and ATL.
Old 03-27-2012 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by volav8r1
Quick question for the all knowing thread:

I'm waiting for OE to be assigned. Can the planners assign OE to me on a day off? I'm hoping to attend a fundraiser on an off day next month, and don't want to buy 2 $150 tickets if I may not even be able to go. The day in question is just a regular off day, not a golden day.

Thanks in advance
I'd call the OE planner and tell them day off you need. They'll likely work with you.
Old 03-27-2012 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
If they did get more 777's, I think they would only be as replacements to the 747's. So WATCH OUT, remember, they can get 3 more RJ's with every new mainline airplane, BUT...the numbers do NOT work in reverse, so if after they increase the mainline, and then RJ fleets, they then park the 747's (oil's getting pretty high) the RJ numbers do NOT need to decrease....do they?
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Thanks for trying to clear that up VPR and BB.

BB, your very last sentence is the part that bothers me...

You KNOW those 747's are not long for this world if the price of oil keeps going up up up. So in the next two years or so, let's say they do increase the mainline fleet size, (add 717's, maybe some of AA's used 777's) and work another LOA to get ever more 76 seat RJ's...and THEN they start parking the 747's...yet the RJ fleet remains, in greater numbers than before.

Yeah...that's the ticket.

We were still flying 747's at $148 a barrel. They carry lots of cargo and have a low CASM. I don't think they're going anywhere for at least 8 years regardless of the price of oil. JMHO.

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Old 03-27-2012 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Did you read what Anderson said a couple weeks ago about Haneda? In case not, he basically said that the Government of Japan is going to allow JAL more flights in/out of HND...and since we don't have a code share partner over there, like AA and UAL, with JAL and ANA, we will be left out in the cold.

Sounded a lot like he wants some HND slots big time...so why do we need NRT if we get them? He could overfly Japan for some of the 'interport' destinations, and just serve HND from LAX and NYC and ATL.
I heard something about that.. but not the actual quote. (It does raise an interesting scenario regarding the acquisition of Hawaiian though) It still seems like there will be a need for a hub there to spoke out of, because I doubt if Saipan could support a 777.

The big group hug Line Check meeting is in April.. I can hardly wait for that. should be verrrrry interesting.
Old 03-27-2012 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So it is really Anil that is running DAL then.. now it all makes sense.

I WISH Anil were running DAL, we'd still have ATL-BOM trips!
Old 03-27-2012 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Timbo (using my phone to type) please read your PWA, Section 1, Definitions 40 D. The 255 limit is a hard cap on SEVENTY to 76 seat RJ's. Management is already maxed at the cap. To add a new 76 seater they would have to park a 70 seater. They don't want to comply (allegedly). If the mainline fleet shrinks, it would have no effect on the 255, or 153, or whatever number they come up with.
Technically Bar, the 255 hard cap is on anything with 51-76 seats.
Old 03-27-2012 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Did you read what Anderson said a couple weeks ago about Haneda? In case not, he basically said that the Government of Japan is going to allow JAL more flights in/out of HND...and since we don't have a code share partner over there, like AA and UAL, with JAL and ANA, we will be left out in the cold.

Sounded a lot like he wants some HND slots big time...so why do we need NRT if we get them? He could overfly Japan for some of the 'interport' destinations, and just serve HND from LAX and NYC and ATL.

More to the point; Why would a passenger need DAL if they could fly out of HND on ANA or JAL to most major gateways in the US? Why would a US customer choose DAL in to NRT when HND is downtown and saves them two hrs each way from city center to the airport?

What would DAL do if all of its US O&D traffic, as well as some of its connecting traffic choose a Japanese carrier? How much traffic is O&D out of NRT? How much is connecting? This is a HUGE issue for DAL and for DAL pilots. We would need effectively to move our 355 weekly slots back to HND to compete effectively.

Currently DAL could go a Code Share or a JV that is revenue sharing only and not profit sharing like the AF deal and there is not one thing in our PWA to prevent it. Talk about WB lift, seat progression et al.

For me these two issues in Section 1 (CS and JV protection on all deals) are a must to get my yes vote. (not to mention SJS, holding companies and some way to bound a international corporation in the event of a transnational merger.
Old 03-27-2012 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I was in NRT last April, about a month after the big earth quake. I don't know how much the NRT traffic has recovered since then, but at that time, according to some of the BKK F/A's I spoke with, their loads were very light. As in 100 people, in a big 4 engine jet.

I hope the loads in and out of NRT have recovered by now. I haven't been out that way in several months, maybe Carl can tell us what's going on, load wise, with the Whale flying. I did see somewhere that come summer, they plan to put it back on ATL-NRT, which will free up a 777 for somewhere else. There was a rumor they were going to add a second Dubai flight, 3 days per week, but later Anil said no. And Anil knows everything. I'll just ask him in a few days when I'm over there.
Asia, and NRT are doing quite well.
Old 03-27-2012 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I was in NRT last April, about a month after the big earth quake. I don't know how much the NRT traffic has recovered since then, but at that time, according to some of the BKK F/A's I spoke with, their loads were very light. As in 100 people, in a big 4 engine jet.

I hope the loads in and out of NRT have recovered by now. I haven't been out that way in several months, maybe Carl can tell us what's going on, load wise, with the Whale flying. I did see somewhere that come summer, they plan to put it back on ATL-NRT, which will free up a 777 for somewhere else. There was a rumor they were going to add a second Dubai flight, 3 days per week, but later Anil said no. And Anil knows everything. I'll just ask him in a few days when I'm over there.
I read in a earnings letter that Asia loads are back to pre earthquake loads. Our Pacific traffic is actually doing fantastic.
Old 03-27-2012 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I read in a earnings letter that Asia loads are back to pre earthquake loads. Our Pacific traffic is actually doing fantastic.

Excellent Smithers!
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