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03-27-2012, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
I suggest you ask around how much of our Pacific traffic is Japan O&D. We could lose significant Pacific traffic and flying without that traffic. Some routes can support direct on a 787, some a 777, but we still need the NRT/HND O&D
03-27-2012, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
WHOAH, pump the brakes T! Not FNWA myself, but I'll take that as a compliment! 
. You did pick up on the quotes. I did beg the question. Where else in our system do we need the capacity and range? If this were true, I'm just wondering what the plan would be for those airframes... always thought we should have more of them though, great plane.
I don't see it as a 747 replacement, yet, even the 777-300, we are still finding good use for the whales.
. You did pick up on the quotes. I did beg the question. Where else in our system do we need the capacity and range? If this were true, I'm just wondering what the plan would be for those airframes... always thought we should have more of them though, great plane. I don't see it as a 747 replacement, yet, even the 777-300, we are still finding good use for the whales.
I hope the loads in and out of NRT have recovered by now. I haven't been out that way in several months, maybe Carl can tell us what's going on, load wise, with the Whale flying. I did see somewhere that come summer, they plan to put it back on ATL-NRT, which will free up a 777 for somewhere else. There was a rumor they were going to add a second Dubai flight, 3 days per week, but later Anil said no. And Anil knows everything. I'll just ask him in a few days when I'm over there.
03-27-2012, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
WHOAH, pump the brakes T! Not FNWA myself, but I'll take that as a compliment! . You did pick up on the quotes. I did beg the question. Where else in our system do we need the capacity and range? If this were true, I'm just wondering what the plan would be for those airframes... always thought we should have more of them though, great plane.
I don't see it as a 747 replacement, yet, even the 777-300, we are still finding good use for the whales.
Why not 777 ?
Pricey, a330 cheaper.
More airframes= more routes or airplanes to the desert. Maybe we are just upgauging.
Do we still have Boeing over a barrel WRT the 787 deliveries? Could explain some recent and future orders
. You did pick up on the quotes. I did beg the question. Where else in our system do we need the capacity and range? If this were true, I'm just wondering what the plan would be for those airframes... always thought we should have more of them though, great plane. I don't see it as a 747 replacement, yet, even the 777-300, we are still finding good use for the whales.
Why not 777 ?
Pricey, a330 cheaper.
More airframes= more routes or airplanes to the desert. Maybe we are just upgauging.
Do we still have Boeing over a barrel WRT the 787 deliveries? Could explain some recent and future orders
As to the A330 vs 777. Airbus (yuck) vs Boeing (yay) nuff said.
I think the whales will be around awhile until oil hits a certain point, then they become expensive. I have no idea what that point is, but the 777s can carry almost as much a lot farther, so the roles of the 747s could be diminished to hub to hub stuff or maybe charter.. I dunno..
I just hope we get a change of command in November and we can get on with the business of running the country the way it was meant to be run.
03-27-2012, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I was in NRT last April, about a month after the big earth quake. I don't know how much the NRT traffic has recovered since then, but at that time, according to some of the BKK F/A's I spoke with, their loads were very light. As in 100 people, in a big 4 engine jet.
I hope the loads in and out of NRT have recovered by now. I haven't been out that way in several months, maybe Carl can tell us what's going on, load wise, with the Whale flying. I did see somewhere that come summer, they plan to put it back on ATL-NRT, which will free up a 777 for somewhere else. There was a rumor they were going to add a second Dubai flight, 3 days per week, but later Anil said no. And Anil knows everything. I'll just ask him in a few days when I'm over there.
I hope the loads in and out of NRT have recovered by now. I haven't been out that way in several months, maybe Carl can tell us what's going on, load wise, with the Whale flying. I did see somewhere that come summer, they plan to put it back on ATL-NRT, which will free up a 777 for somewhere else. There was a rumor they were going to add a second Dubai flight, 3 days per week, but later Anil said no. And Anil knows everything. I'll just ask him in a few days when I'm over there.
03-27-2012, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I never said that NRT was not needed. I can see it becoming less significant as the point to point US to China markets are developed. that is probably why there are only 18 787s on order. I don't see it becoming much bigger than that..
Sounded a lot like he wants some HND slots big time...so why do we need NRT if we get them? He could overfly Japan for some of the 'interport' destinations, and just serve HND from LAX and NYC and ATL.
03-27-2012, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by volav8r1
Quick question for the all knowing thread:
I'm waiting for OE to be assigned. Can the planners assign OE to me on a day off? I'm hoping to attend a fundraiser on an off day next month, and don't want to buy 2 $150 tickets if I may not even be able to go. The day in question is just a regular off day, not a golden day.
Thanks in advance
I'm waiting for OE to be assigned. Can the planners assign OE to me on a day off? I'm hoping to attend a fundraiser on an off day next month, and don't want to buy 2 $150 tickets if I may not even be able to go. The day in question is just a regular off day, not a golden day.
Thanks in advance
03-27-2012, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
If they did get more 777's, I think they would only be as replacements to the 747's. So WATCH OUT, remember, they can get 3 more RJ's with every new mainline airplane, BUT...the numbers do NOT work in reverse, so if after they increase the mainline, and then RJ fleets, they then park the 747's (oil's getting pretty high) the RJ numbers do NOT need to decrease....do they? 
Originally Posted by Timbo
Thanks for trying to clear that up VPR and BB.
BB, your very last sentence is the part that bothers me...
You KNOW those 747's are not long for this world if the price of oil keeps going up up up. So in the next two years or so, let's say they do increase the mainline fleet size, (add 717's, maybe some of AA's used 777's) and work another LOA to get ever more 76 seat RJ's...and THEN they start parking the 747's...yet the RJ fleet remains, in greater numbers than before.
Yeah...that's the ticket.
BB, your very last sentence is the part that bothers me...
You KNOW those 747's are not long for this world if the price of oil keeps going up up up. So in the next two years or so, let's say they do increase the mainline fleet size, (add 717's, maybe some of AA's used 777's) and work another LOA to get ever more 76 seat RJ's...and THEN they start parking the 747's...yet the RJ fleet remains, in greater numbers than before.
Yeah...that's the ticket.
We were still flying 747's at $148 a barrel. They carry lots of cargo and have a low CASM. I don't think they're going anywhere for at least 8 years regardless of the price of oil. JMHO.
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03-27-2012, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Did you read what Anderson said a couple weeks ago about Haneda? In case not, he basically said that the Government of Japan is going to allow JAL more flights in/out of HND...and since we don't have a code share partner over there, like AA and UAL, with JAL and ANA, we will be left out in the cold.
Sounded a lot like he wants some HND slots big time...so why do we need NRT if we get them? He could overfly Japan for some of the 'interport' destinations, and just serve HND from LAX and NYC and ATL.
Sounded a lot like he wants some HND slots big time...so why do we need NRT if we get them? He could overfly Japan for some of the 'interport' destinations, and just serve HND from LAX and NYC and ATL.
The big group hug Line Check meeting is in April.. I can hardly wait for that. should be verrrrry interesting.
03-27-2012, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So it is really Anil that is running DAL then.. now it all makes sense.
I WISH Anil were running DAL, we'd still have ATL-BOM trips!
03-27-2012, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Timbo (using my phone to type) please read your PWA, Section 1, Definitions 40 D. The 255 limit is a hard cap on SEVENTY to 76 seat RJ's. Management is already maxed at the cap. To add a new 76 seater they would have to park a 70 seater. They don't want to comply (allegedly). If the mainline fleet shrinks, it would have no effect on the 255, or 153, or whatever number they come up with.
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