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Old 11-01-2014, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf View Post
No soilage here, but it seems in order to upgrade that quickly you've got to become a Guinea pig and enter into a new base. Basically be single with no commitments, aka personal life. As a regional f/o I'd welcome an upgrade, especially at a LCC, but not at the cost of living in craphole FL or IWA.
Spot on, and kudos for not falling into the "aw, it can't be THAT bad" trap.
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Old 11-01-2014, 11:11 AM
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Somewhere right now a dozen regional FO's just soiled themselves and stopped reading right there.
It’s a great deal if you want to throw the dice on our training department, hit the line with sub par mx, and all those other easter egg gotchas. And no contract protections. Have an incident/accident and be introduced to one of our own interrogation sessions in Vegas.

When we do get a contract, removing the safety department as far away from FOQA would by itself be worth union representation. As it stands now is simply a tool of management to push all liability to the pilot.


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The training department is a bit messed up in terms of trying to come to grips with the number of people they are trying to train...completely not ready for such an influx.
Thunder, clmp described our training department as it has always been. Just on a more amplified scale now. An airframe that is 30 years old and the manuals are unsat.. This place is a perfect example of the Peter Principle.
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Old 11-01-2014, 12:07 PM
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To understand the politics in the Training and Standards Department, one must first understand the attitude of upper management with respect to the value of training.
Safety culture starts from the top. Look at their history of cultivating a healthy safety environment. One word: Critter. Of course, he had nothing to do with all that.
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Old 11-01-2014, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunderpig View Post
The training department is a bit messed up in terms of trying to come to grips with the number of people they are trying to train...completely not ready for such an influx.
Not ready for something they chose to do months ago.

Not ready for a mx problem on any aircraft because we don't have spares.

Not ready for a mx problem because we don't carry most parts.

Not ready for a sick call because we don't have reserves.

Not ready to negotiate after two years.



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Old 11-01-2014, 04:08 PM
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It’s a great deal if you want to throw the dice on our training department, hit the line with sub par mx, and all those other easter egg gotchas. And no contract protections. Have an incident/accident and be introduced to one of our own interrogation sessions in Vegas.
At least one more pink slip this week on a new hire.

Step on up folks, jump in during the spin cycle, just before the strike. Attend our newly-reduced training program so you can bust an oral, or have your training strung out for months on end due to crappy sims. Then comes the line...

So not a good place to be right now. If you're looking to improve your lot, wait out the storm and shoot the approach when conditions improve. Hopefully this storm will blow over and the sun will shine again. Just not now.
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Old 11-01-2014, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf View Post
No soilage here, but it seems in order to upgrade that quickly you've got to become a Guinea pig and enter into a new base. Basically be single with no commitments, aka personal life. As a regional f/o I'd welcome an upgrade, especially at a LCC, but not at the cost of living in craphole FL or IWA.
Craphole FL?
beats the **** out of vegas any day
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Old 11-01-2014, 09:33 PM
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Craphole FL?
beats the **** out of vegas any day
That OP's comment is irrelevant because as a new hire upgrade candidate you will most likely be going to the floating TDY base.
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Old 11-01-2014, 09:59 PM
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[QUOTE=AZbound;1757055]That OP's comment is irrelevant because as a new hire upgrade candidate you will most likely be going to the floating TDY base. [/QUOT
I don't think AAY will have any problem recruiting pilots to move to FL bases. As for me I would have not considered AAY if Vegas was the only choice
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Old 11-02-2014, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by AZbound View Post
That OP's comment is irrelevant because as a new hire upgrade candidate you will most likely be going to the floating TDY base.
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Originally Posted by AZbound View Post
That OP's comment is irrelevant because as a new hire upgrade candidate you will most likely be going to the floating TDY base. [/QUOT
I don't think AAY will have any problem recruiting pilots to move to FL bases. As for me I would have not considered AAY if Vegas was the only choice
Ok now I understand, I was thinking if they are upgrading so quick why wouldn't they just move to FL, but it makes sense that they'll just TDY you elsewhere.
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Old 11-02-2014, 06:20 AM
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Thank you everybody for the input regarding the instructor positions. I was hoping they would understand and appreciate the need for a robust training department. I cant see applying and working under those conditions.

Cheers,

Jim
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