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Old 01-18-2015 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by EATME
with regards to the TA, if there ever is one, do you guys have any "dealbreakers" that must be in the TA in order to get your yes vote? life at the bottom is much different than life in the middle or top. some things are more important to others and i'm curious what the consensus is, or if there is one. if they don't address the chronic way they reroute or change your schedule, it will be a no vote from me. because when you FINALLY get off reserve, it's like you are back on it again. so frustrating.
I agree with you thoughts. Between some of my deal breakers and from what I've heard, I don't think there's enough room here to list them all. The contract needs to be robust from top to bottom.
Old 01-18-2015 | 07:40 AM
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I'm only looking for two things in the TA....money and schedule
Old 01-18-2015 | 09:02 AM
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Major airline industry standard across the board. Not just pay scale either, but all the so-called "soft costs" as well. Pay means nothing if it's not accompanied by work rules to structure the pay. Flying 2.5 hour blocks five days a week will make that very clear. I don't subscribe to the idea that 'it's a first contract' or 'Comparable Airline' garbage. Allegiant is the most profitable Airline with the best paid executives. They can easily afford better pay and benefits and they will. The ball is in our court and it's the 'perfect storm' for us. We will get whatever we are willing to fight for.
Old 01-18-2015 | 09:07 AM
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As time goes on, the type of contract I will settle for has changed dramatically. The more the company stalls, the more I'm going to want. They will learn this lesson on the next contract which will undoubtedly include retro pay. Either pay now or pay a lot later.
Old 01-18-2015 | 09:29 AM
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If you guys are serious about the things you post, I hope you have at least six months worth of living expenses in your personal strike fund.

But, it's easy to talk tough on the web. I predict the contract you all vote for will be significantly less than legacy norm. And then, you won't find a single pilot who will say they voted for it.

And retro pay? LOL. No me gets retro pay any more. You get "signing bonuses." The last contract I was involved in settled for $15K when full retro would have been over $100K. So, good luck with that.
Old 01-18-2015 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
If you guys are serious about the things you post, I hope you have at least six months worth of living expenses in your personal strike fund.

But, it's easy to talk tough on the web. I predict the contract you all vote for will be significantly less than legacy norm. And then, you won't find a single pilot who will say they voted for it.

And retro pay? LOL. No me gets retro pay any more. You get "signing bonuses." The last contract I was involved in settled for $15K when full retro would have been over $100K. So, good luck with that.
It's not just talking tough on the web. It's over 25% walking a picket line on their day off and 98% voting to strike.
Old 01-18-2015 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
If you guys are serious about the things you post, I hope you have at least six months worth of living expenses in your personal strike fund.

But, it's easy to talk tough on the web. I predict the contract you all vote for will be significantly less than legacy norm. And then, you won't find a single pilot who will say they voted for it.

And retro pay? LOL. No me gets retro pay any more. You get "signing bonuses." The last contract I was involved in settled for $15K when full retro would have been over $100K. So, good luck with that.
Yeah, you're right, we should come in with low expectations and cave to some POS, low ball offer so we can get this behind us. Count me out. This pilot group has surprised a lot of people. You should come walk in our next picket line, you'd be impressed with the focus and drive. Our actions prove we're not interested in getting paid bargain basement wages at the most profitable company in the industry. It's not tough talk either, I will wait however long it takes. Most don't care if this place folds, it's better than bringing the industry down. Almost half the pilots showed up to picket, traveling from all over the country to do it. This group is ready to fight for what every airline pilot expects: a fair contract with realistic pay, schedules and benefits. As a fellow pilot, you should be supporting this. If we fail, you and the others in this line of work will be feeling it.
Old 01-18-2015 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat


But, it's easy to talk tough on the web. I predict the contract you all vote for will be significantly less than legacy norm. And then, you won't find a single pilot who will say they voted for it.
Says the guy who's been lobbing grenades on this board at Allegiant pilots for months. How about some words of encouragement instead of predicting our demise?
Old 01-19-2015 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
The last contract I was involved in settled for $15K when full retro would have been over $100K. So, good luck with that.


You're starting to sound like you're involved in a lot of contracts. How's the weather in Atlanta these days?
Old 01-19-2015 | 07:50 AM
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I know at least a dozen ALG pilots. These are all hard-working pilots who have been busting their tails for years for terrible pay! I don't think they will approach contract negotiations with unreasonable ideas. They simply want to be compensated for their hard work. The work ethic is there, and so is the money, so it's time to be compensated.
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