Recall of DAL MEC Officers
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Which 66 Rep? Did he support the recall or not? I kind of doubt these 4 were released without cause. Sounds like the company might be putting their thumb on the scales to keep certain people around. Why would they cancel meetings if the NC is the one that at Rep direction actually does the negotiating?
The MEC has reaffirmed on several occasions they want the MEC Chairman to have exactly this authority to hire and fire positions as opposed to being voted in/out by the Reps like brand X, where this kind of event could not have happened but by majority Rep direction. I guess they want the MEC Chairman to have the authority to hire and fire only certain people......
The MEC has reaffirmed on several occasions they want the MEC Chairman to have exactly this authority to hire and fire positions as opposed to being voted in/out by the Reps like brand X, where this kind of event could not have happened but by majority Rep direction. I guess they want the MEC Chairman to have the authority to hire and fire only certain people......
#23
Thanks, Carl. Hope you are doing well!
I'm not really "back" per se. I just got the email about the recalls tonight and thought maybe that would be being discussed here. Glad to see recalls but was hoping for more of a change in direction along the lines of a restorative objective. Sounds like it's just more typical DALPA insider politics. I have no interest in that.
Glad to see you're still here fighting the good fight. Take care, buddy!
I'm not really "back" per se. I just got the email about the recalls tonight and thought maybe that would be being discussed here. Glad to see recalls but was hoping for more of a change in direction along the lines of a restorative objective. Sounds like it's just more typical DALPA insider politics. I have no interest in that.
Glad to see you're still here fighting the good fight. Take care, buddy!
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I heard one of the individuals had openly said at the last MEC meeting either he was going or the Chairman was.
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The MEC has reaffirmed on several occasions they want the MEC Chairman to have exactly this authority to hire and fire positions as opposed to being voted in/out by the Reps like fNWA where this kind of event could not have happened but by majority Rep direction.
I guess they want the MEC Chairman to have the authority to hire and fire only certain people......
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The MEC has reaffirmed on several occasions they want the MEC Chairman to have exactly this authority to hire and fire positions as opposed to being voted in/out by the Reps like fNWA where this kind of event could not have happened but by majority Rep direction.
I guess they want the MEC Chairman to have the authority to hire and fire only certain people......
However it works out, people need to be able to work together. Putting all four up helps put this back in the hands of the Reps we elected; who are accountable to us.
#25
If true, then the MEC Chairman had to take action, or resign. If he resigns, would that action have been in response to a demand from an unelected Administrator? If so, the Chairman ostensibly is respecting the democratic direction of our bottom up organizational structure.
However it works out, people need to be able to work together. Putting all four up helps put this back in the hands of the Reps we elected; who are accountable to us.
However it works out, people need to be able to work together. Putting all four up helps put this back in the hands of the Reps we elected; who are accountable to us.
And this is also why I want our policy to change to voting for committee leads....
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Intriguing. If I am to believe free lunch boy then 4 pilots needed fired at once and for some reason that required such a broad cut of the blade. If they were elected by the MEC how would the MEC be told of the issues and how would they act that quickly and decisively? Either way it looks like a special meeting to recall a potentially rogue chairman or recall 4 elected chairman. The process doesn't look much different to me. With elected chairman it seems like the MEC chairman has no power when he is actually an exoficio member of the negotiating committee and all other committees. At this point I'm finding it hard to believe 4 chairman could possibly have all done something wrong together without anyone knowing. It's also strange that the same people on here that didn't like King calling DPA members a scourge now are interested in saying that he is responsible for some kind of political action inside the MEC. If this is just internal MEC politics then I don't really need to know much more and I agree with Bar. There is a system and it works. The reps look like they are taking care of business and in policy.
#27
Intriguing. If I am to believe free lunch boy then 4 pilots needed fired at once and for some reason that required such a broad cut of the blade. If they were elected by the MEC how would the MEC be told of the issues and how would they act that quickly and decisively? Either way it looks like a special meeting to recall a potentially rogue chairman or recall 4 elected chairman. The process doesn't look much different to me. With elected chairman it seems like the MEC chairman has no power when he is actually an exoficio member of the negotiating committee and all other committees. At this point I'm finding it hard to believe 4 chairman could possibly have all done something wrong together without anyone knowing. It's also strange that the same people on here that didn't like King calling DPA members a scourge now are interested in saying that he is responsible for some kind of political action inside the MEC. If this is just internal MEC politics then I don't really need to know much more and I agree with Bar. There is a system and it works. The reps look like they are taking care of business and in policy.
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A. Recall MEC Chairman (and others?)
B. Recall committee chairman
I don't see one as being better than the other. I can't see how having every single committee chairman being elected by the MEC makes this issue go away. 1 rogue MEC Chairman = recall meeting. 4 bad committee chairman = recall meeting. Either way the same thing is happening and it doesn't look like it really matters unless it messes up FAR 117 or the JV with Virgin or whatever else is going on. I like the idea of the boss (MEC Chair) directing the workers (committees) and the MEC tells the boss what to do. The other way seems a little F'd up.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the OPs seem to imply there's and old regime and new regime here and some kind of internal politiks between "sides" Wasn't King on the the last admin and the previous admin and the previous admin and the previous admin back to sometime in early 2000's? Chameleon or contrarian?
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Hitmefurl,
You might be overcomplicating things a bit. I don't think anyone went "rogue." There are simply different ideas on how to manage.
Recall that with Glasnost came Perestroika.
You might be overcomplicating things a bit. I don't think anyone went "rogue." There are simply different ideas on how to manage.
Recall that with Glasnost came Perestroika.
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