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08-12-2015, 03:15 AM
#9051
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Originally Posted by Riverside
So, Mr. Kentucky finally got the call. Sad to see him go :-(
08-12-2015, 03:48 AM
#9052
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Posts: 1,809
Originally Posted by vaporlock1215
I honestly don't know why people use the fms for glideslope in the first place. It's simple math. Every once in awhile a pm will throw in 2 degrees or whatever even after I briefed when I'll start heading down. Seriously what's up with that?! When they do that I avoid it and descend at a different angle. Run some numbers in your head and quite relying on the damn fms.
Not using the FMS is adding task saturation to your brain that you don't need while entering a relatively busy segment of your flight. The PM will have his head down a lot. He will be talking to FAs, maybe talking to OPS. He's not there to double check any mistakes, and you may be busy briefing, pulling charts etc, etc.
Automation has been proven to have significantly increase safety in modern aviation to the point where it is literally the safest for of travel, you don't want to use said automation so you can prove that you can do simple multiplication?
"Avoid the descent angle".......for the love of god, WHY?? You cannot give me a good reason to do this.
Stop being a tough guy and use the capabilities of the aircraft.
08-12-2015, 04:01 AM
#9053
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Posts: 3,094
Originally Posted by pagey
Well, I'm sure most can do the math for a descent path.
Not using the FMS is adding task saturation to your brain that you don't need while entering a relatively busy segment of your flight. The PM will have his head down a lot. He will be talking to FAs, maybe talking to OPS. He's not there to double check any mistakes, and you may be busy briefing, pulling charts etc, etc.
Automation has been proven to have significantly increase safety in modern aviation to the point where it is literally the safest for of travel, you don't want to use said automation so you can prove that you can do simple multiplication?
"Avoid the descent angle".......for the love of god, WHY?? You cannot give me a good reason to do this.
Stop being a tough guy and use the capabilities of the aircraft.
Not using the FMS is adding task saturation to your brain that you don't need while entering a relatively busy segment of your flight. The PM will have his head down a lot. He will be talking to FAs, maybe talking to OPS. He's not there to double check any mistakes, and you may be busy briefing, pulling charts etc, etc.
Automation has been proven to have significantly increase safety in modern aviation to the point where it is literally the safest for of travel, you don't want to use said automation so you can prove that you can do simple multiplication?
"Avoid the descent angle".......for the love of god, WHY?? You cannot give me a good reason to do this.
Stop being a tough guy and use the capabilities of the aircraft.
I disagree with everything you've written here.
08-12-2015, 06:06 AM
#9054
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Position: Left
Posts: 1,809
Originally Posted by Name User
In Airbus school at Airways we were taught to double check the FMGC guidance with "simple math".
I disagree with everything you've written here.
I disagree with everything you've written here.
You clearly have misunderstood what I said. Cross checking the FMS's math with your own....sure. But purposely NOT USING the FMS for descent planning, and not only that but avoiding the programed descent path? It is foolish.
Please re-read my post.
08-12-2015, 07:47 AM
#9055
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Posts: 156
Originally Posted by Emblifer
TSA is not far away from disciplining extension refusals.
Explain the reason you quit in a job interview.. I'm sure another airline will look at it as a good reason to quit your job.
08-12-2015, 07:59 AM
#9056
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Originally Posted by vaporlock1215
I honestly don't know why people use the fms for glideslope in the first place. It's simple math. Every once in awhile a pm will throw in 2 degrees or whatever even after I briefed when I'll start heading down. Seriously what's up with that?! When they do that I avoid it and descend at a different angle. Run some numbers in your head and quite relying on the damn fms.
You do know that if you don't brief that change you are ignoring SOP procedures on purpose...
08-12-2015, 10:42 AM
#9057
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Position: Taco Rocket Operator
Posts: 2,485
Originally Posted by Riverside
So, Mr. Kentucky finally got the call. Sad to see him go :-(
08-12-2015, 10:47 AM
#9058
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Posts: 10,065
Originally Posted by knobcrk
Is it true that were literally down to like 40 apps on file?
08-12-2015, 10:54 AM
#9059
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Posts: 610
Originally Posted by FlyingKat
Looks like United is giving up on the out sourcing fiasco at outstations and starting its own in house version of DGS.....
United Airlines launches non-union ground operations subsidiary United Ground Express - Chicago Business Journal
United Airlines launches non-union ground operations subsidiary United Ground Express - Chicago Business Journal
Originally Posted by knobcrk
Sounds like rearranging the dirt.
08-12-2015, 11:04 AM
#9060
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Posts: 101
Originally Posted by knobcrk
Well the limit is 2 DUIs.
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