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Old 04-17-2013, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
Slats, Delta can't back out of the bridge agreement, without compensating the Pinnacle pilot group. The agreement is between DAL and 9E pilots for 7 years of bottom feeder salary for 40 CRJ900s. 9E or whatever its new name is, is going to be around for at least another 7 years. The SSP requires Delta to hire 12-20 guys a month, mandatory in addition to the flows.
It's Delta. They can always find an easy way out. And with 9E not being a public company, there is no one Deta is responsible to when 9E is a privately wholly owned company. They can do whatever they see fit. Past history has shown every single Delta wholly owned regional has been screwed badly. Many 9E pilots have defended the concessions as that they are not the lowest, GoJets is still worse. Well take that fact and ask yourself, if GoJets can still do it cheaper, why have 81 planes end state for 9E?
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
What happens if Delta hires a fraction of those it interviews, and burns through the list in, say, 3 years?
Is that what you're advocating, or do you have the inside scoop? Since you work for Delta maybe you could tell us.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
It's Delta. They can always find an easy way out. And with 9E not being a public company, there is no one Deta is responsible to when 9E is a privately wholly owned company. They can do whatever they see fit. Past history has shown every single Delta wholly owned regional has been screwed badly. Many 9E pilots have defended the concessions as that they are not the lowest, GoJets is still worse. Well take that fact and ask yourself, if GoJets can still do it cheaper, why have 81 planes end state for 9E?
Bla bla bla, when mesaba went through banruptcy in 05-06 we kept hearing how our core business was going to be 46 Saabs. As soon as we were out guess what? Suddenly we were getting 36 900's You can't take these guys for face value during a bankruptcy process. Especially one that's been choreographed by Northwest as in Mesaba's bankruptcy or Delta in Pinnacle's bankruptcy. They try to paint the worst picture possible. You are correct that history has shown that Delta $hits on their wholly owned regional partners. However, there are several contracts that are up for review in the next several years. And it would be in Delta's best interest to keep Pinnacle alive and well to continue the whipsaw against them. Also, based on Delta's history since the Comair strike it is plain to see that now they don't put all their eggs in one basket. That's why I don't think they'll award all those 900's to Go jets.
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank View Post
What happens if Delta hires a fraction of those it interviews, and burns through the list in, say, 3 years?
Then they have to start all over again at the top of the list.
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Old 04-17-2013, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
Slats, Delta can't back out of the bridge agreement, without compensating the Pinnacle pilot group. The agreement is between DAL and 9E pilots for 7 years of bottom feeder salary for 40 CRJ900s. 9E or whatever its new name is, is going to be around for at least another 7 years. The SSP requires Delta to hire 12-20 guys a month, mandatory in addition to the flows.
It's actually 81 CRJ900s.

If Delta did break the bridge agreement they would owe wages for 7 years to all Pinnacle pilots.

The only way around this is a 1113 motion in US Bankruptcy court.

As history has shown that is very much a possibility.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:04 PM
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew_VT View Post
Then they have to start all over again at the top of the list.
Uhhhh no they don't. So your saying they are just going to go through it time and time again until there is no one left? And the point of that is?
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:31 PM
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Uhhhh no they don't. So your saying they are just going to go through it time and time again until there is no one left? And the point of that is?
Maybe you should read the agreement before saying something stupid. It clearly states there will be two guaranteed interviews.
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Maybe you should read the agreement before saying something stupid. It clearly states there will be two guaranteed interviews.
Not quite


Exhaustion of Hiring Commitment.
Delta’s hiring commitment under Section 3.e. will be exhausted and become null and void upon the date the most junior Pinnacle pilot on the seniority list as of the date of ratification of a new restructured Pinnacle pilot collective bargaining agreement is offered an opportunity to participate in the SSP in seniority order, provided, however, that any Pinnacle pilot who retains a repeat opportunity under Section 3.d. upon the date the hiring commitment is exhausted, or would obtain an opportunity to repeat the process within twelve (12) months of such date, will be afforded the opportunity to repeat the process upon his request. Such repeat opportunities will be scheduled at a minimum rate of 20 per month for the number of months in which Delta anticipates offering new hire pilot positions.

Repeat Opportunities to Participate in the SSP.
An eligible Pinnacle pilot may be provided an opportunity to repeat the SSP if the pilot:
i. did not successfully pass any objective testing element of the selection process, or
ii. is potentially qualified to be provided with a conditional job offer but is not competitive with other applicants who had previously or are being provided with conditional job offers.
Such opportunity to repeat the SSP will only be afforded if the Pinnacle pilot maintains his eligibility as described above, requests to repeat the process and at least twelve months have passed since the previous date of participation in the SSP. A pilot who would otherwise be considered for a repeat opportunity will forfeit any such opportunity in the event he fails to request a repeat opportunity upon the exhaustion of the SSP, as set forth below.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo View Post
Maybe you should read the agreement before saying something stupid. It clearly states there will be two guaranteed interviews.
Wow, it's your kind of analytical reading skills that got the "yes" vote passed... You see gold and we see shi+
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