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Old 11-12-2011 | 11:25 AM
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Might have an issue coming up in the very near future. Today I was departing in the right seat of a CE560, as a required crew member as per op-spec(135 pax charter). There was a radial that I was trying to get the captain to intercept off the departure end, as per the SID. He flew right through it. There was also a turn we were supposed to make at 4DME/6k feet. He got to 6k feet and started the turn at about 2DME. I was telling him to intercept the radial, and wait for the turn, but he wasn't listening to his "in-experienced FO." We got the number. He told me that the supervisor said he was going to submit the information to whoever they submit it to.


What have others here seen happen to FO's in a situation like this. I have a clean record, and want to keep it that way. I am new at this company, and there are some other practices that I don't agree with. Memorizing checklists and rushing are two ways to get hurt, and thats what I have been told to do so far, so I am thinking of tucking tail and running.
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Old 11-12-2011 | 01:36 PM
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When you say memorizing checklists.....are you saying you do the checklist then never reference it... or you do a "flow" then run the checklist.......the first is bad practice...the later is pretty normal in most operations. Did the pilot brief the SID Or at least review it before departure? AS for how you, the FO, will be taken in this, I don't know.
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Old 11-12-2011 | 01:43 PM
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File an aviation safety report...

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Old 11-12-2011 | 01:47 PM
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When you say memorizing checklists.....are you saying you do the checklist then never reference it... or you do a "flow" then run the checklist.......the first is bad practice...the later is pretty normal in most operations. Did the pilot brief the SID Or at least review it before departure? AS for how you, the FO, will be taken in this, I don't know.

Nope, the first one.

"You need to have the checklist memorized because we don't always have tine for it. You also need to know where my hands are giong because med flights can get very busy."
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Old 11-12-2011 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by slyguy
Nope, the first one.

"You need to have the checklist memorized because we don't always have tine for it. You also need to know where my hands are giong because med flights can get very busy."
Nice. I absolutely HATE idiots like this. They are almost always insecure and horrible pilots.
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Old 11-12-2011 | 02:30 PM
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File an aviation safety report...

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Already did it, and printed it out. I know it's not a get out of jail free card, but I hope it can save my but on this one. I am going to try and convince the captain to do the same.
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Old 11-12-2011 | 03:11 PM
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Already did it, and printed it out. I know it's not a get out of jail free card, but I hope it can save my but on this one. I am going to try and convince the captain to do the same.
But honestly, it is. Saved my butt one time. Just make sure you get it certified and get the return reciept. I just thought of this, you can submit them online now can't you?????
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Old 11-12-2011 | 04:41 PM
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But honestly, it is. Saved my butt one time. Just make sure you get it certified and get the return reciept. I just thought of this, you can submit them online now can't you?????
Yes you can.
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Old 11-13-2011 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by slyguy
Nope, the first one.

"You need to have the checklist memorized because we don't always have tine for it. You also need to know where my hands are giong because med flights can get very busy."

There is ALWAYS time to run checklists! I used to fly with a guy like this and in a citation as a matter of fact.

He would always rush. Tower would give a 'line up and wait" or a "cleared for take off" and he would just throttle up and go. 75% of the time he would miss ignitions from his "memory"
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Old 11-13-2011 | 06:59 AM
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Not time for a checklist? Get out of that place while you still have your ratings brother!
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