pilot64golfer

What you're saying is "Screw the 747 guys. Its fenced so I can't fly it anyway. Plus it will be gone in 2022 which is like 'tomorrow'."

Except those guys who will fly it for the next 8 years at a reduced pay rate so that the 787 pilots could get more relative pay.

XHooker

A319/318 pay is the same as the 737-700. I'm not saying I think our paybands are exactly the way I would do them, but let's keep the facts straight.

Look, my only point in going down this road with you is to counter the often heard refrain that paybands were foisted upon us by CALALPA for SLI purposes. There's no doubt in my mind both sides wanted to protect their pilots when the bands were constructed. Why did LUAL all of a sudden want the 747 in a separate band? In any event, it's all water under the bridge and time to look forward. Personally, I want the airplanes of the future to pay as much as possible. As to your last question, no dog in this fight, just trying to keep the record straight.

XHooker

I'm not saying "screw the 747 guys" anymore than you're saying "screw everyone else." The fences come down in a couple of years and the 747 will probably be gone around the time I can hold WB CA, so from that aspect it's irrelevant to me. It's all a question of how we want to cut the pie. I just don't see the logic of putting pay for a plane scheduled to be phased out over the life of the next contract above everything else, when it wasn't above everything else at the time of the merger.

Really

Yes, Xhooker, the way I remember it was Contract 97 was the same way you do from one of your earlier posts!! You asked how you remember Jan. 25, 1998? Well that just happened to be the day of one of the BEST Super Bowls ever!! Denver vs. Green Bay with Denver winning it ALL!! It also was the day before Delta was going to announce the Acquisition/Merger with CAL. (You can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I am! It's been almost 20 yrs and I'm having trouble remember 20 days!! ) The reason I stated Pay banding motivation was for future Mergers was because that is what I was told during the Road show. It wasn't to be an advantage like Pkcola keeps repeating over and over it was to make the integration easier. That was my understanding only, from said negotiators! There is a great article that may still be available in the Wall Street Journal archives that explained the DAL merger and how the pilots submarined it! You've done a good job I think explaining pay banding and the mentally of its use. I just think Pkcola is 3 french fries short of a full "Happy Meal!!" p.s.- Pkcola I just apologized for using the wrong term in prior post not for it's content! So you can quit quoting me now!! But, I think you already knew that!!

tkhayes90

Paybanding is for the "I want it now...dang it, I deserve it crowd."

Really

Not sure what you mean by that? But, I guess that means you belong to the "Longevity - Look mine is BIGGER than yours, so pay me more!!" crowd!!

SpecialTracking

I can picture managements face when we propose bringing all pay rates up to WB levels and pay to longevity. Probably about the same face the arbitrators made when Brucia unveiled CAL's status seniority list.

intrepidcv11

I can picture the knowing grins the management guys will exchange when our openers inflate the pay scale of the holy whale. Just more motivation to send them to the desert. Btw Delta is parking four of them. Think Jeff won't do similar if his bean counter formula dictates it?

Really

You know the sad thing is we could bring rates up to the A380 rates and pay longevity and a large group pilots would have that same disgusted look!! I'm not a pure Longevity pay guy, but I also don't believe in breaking pay down into each A/C. I don't want to feel pushed up the ladder. I can hold WB now but am happy to be on my little guppy flying to Portland and back. There needs to be different pay for size but, I'm glad it's not a big difference! JMO

pilot64golfer

Same here. I won't hold 747 Captain until they are gone. The idea is to get premium pay for the replacement. Right now there aren't premium pay aircraft. We've banded those pay rates down.

I guess we will find out next contract.