Originally Posted by Pkcola

Why did I know you were going to come back with a long "one beer too many induced RANT" - it is Labor Day. I was going to rebut each point but then realized you would likely not remember why you uttered most of it and waste my time. Few points though.

We are labor and live and die by the senority system. Without it we'd be working for RJ wages as management played one against the other.

My supports falls on the side of Union representation and today, that's ALPA. Our youngest and brightest work within that framwork and not in a flight office to achieve good results for the pilots.

You desire to give Jeff and Jeff like management free rein to modify or violate our contract is a mistake. We are stakeholders and not share holders. His decision to pay billions to the share holders are at the expense of all employees(stakeholders) will come back to haunt us when the economy turns south or DL and AA decide to move away from capacity restrictions. Jeff put our airline and jobs at risk to protect his job. That's the guy you want to follow?

Pay banding does nothing for pilot productivity or manning. Don't know where you came up with that stuff.

You didn't answer the simplest of questions. You stated "we have profit sharing as a back-stop". Would you tell us YOUR average profit sharing over the last 5 years and what you expect in profit sharing over the next 5 years.

Originally Posted by Really

That has to be one of the most ignorant things I've read!! Why do you think ALL the airline mgt. want it? With lines, they built lines to 70% with PBS they award lines to 93%!! Thats not more efficient or has a bearing on staffing? WOW!

Originally Posted by Pkcola

Hey slick - pay banding and pbs are two different things. No need to display ignorance.

APC225 - you want to jump in and explain the difference to "Really", I think he's one of yours.

Originally Posted by pilot64golfer

This needs to be fixed. The pay banding scheme didn't affect the SLI the way it was intended. Now the pilots flying the premium airplanes need to be paid premium pay. Too many pilots have suffered having their pay banded down to a smaller aircraft type because one pre-merger group wanted to use "aircraft hourly pay" as their method of seniority list integration (it would have been a first for any airline pilot merger in history).

That didn't work, but those pilots shouldn't keep paying for it.

Originally Posted by intrepidcv11

You do realize in 10 years our 'premium airplanes' will made up mostly of 787 and A350 fleets right? The 400 will be gone by 2021 if things go perfectly to plan so they have one contract left. Doubt the DAL guys will waste time satisfying any 'premium' Whale Pay on their new deal.

Originally Posted by Pkcola

Hey slick - pay banding and pbs are two different things. No need to display ignorance.

APC225 - you want to jump in and explain the difference to "Really", I think he's one of yours.

Originally Posted by Really

You are correct! (That was hard for me to say to you!) Mixed up my thoughts but, your posts have a way of doing that to me!! I need to go back to ignoring you! That would be boring though. You and your "conspiracy" theories are comical!! Pay banding at LCAL was the product of contract 97. CAL went from a longevity based pay (i.e.- UPS) to a pay band because of the Merger proposal from Delta. It was done because we were only protected under Allegheny/Mohawk not ALPA merger policy! And pay banding was a compromise to go from a Longevity system to a Differential system. (Not an easy "sale job" since guys wanted to stay on the Longevity system!)So was it to help us in future Merger proposals? Yes! Did JP think of it helping us in the SLI with LUAL 13 yrs in the the future? I don't know. But, you sure do give JP a lot of praise for his skill set in maneuvering to get LCAL every benefit in the SLI!!

Originally Posted by Pkcola

I see now! Your side had the vision to see that pay banding was the only way to prepare for the future. Guess that was JP's 10 year plan. Do you think he had the vision to see he wouldn't be involved in the combined MEC. I'd be surprised if he's been consulted on anything lately. You guys continue to re-write history to justify mistakes. Hopefully, the current MEC has the vision to improve and correct mistakes of the past and not just follow the lead of Delta.

Originally Posted by Really

And pay banding was a compromise to go from a Longevity system to a Differential system. (Not an easy "sale job" since guys wanted to stay on the Longevity system!)So was it to help us in future Merger proposals? Yes! Did JP think of it helping us in the SLI with LUAL 13 yrs in the the future? I don't know. But, you sure do give JP a lot of praise for his skill set in maneuvering to get LCAL every benefit in the SLI!!