2018 new TA
05-14-2018 | 02:20 PM
#61
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2018 new TA
Looking at this from the outside (I’m not at a AWC), I see this TA more as a smoke signal or foot-line drawn, by your management team to other regional carriers.
This TA is like a medieval battle scene. A man is about to battle, right as it begins he kneels in fear saying in panic “ I yield, I yield, no more, please no more, I yield.”
This TA is like a medieval battle scene. A man is about to battle, right as it begins he kneels in fear saying in panic “ I yield, I yield, no more, please no more, I yield.”
05-14-2018 | 03:21 PM
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I don't know how we're suppose to hire with the proposed payscale either. Turn the bonuses into hard pay and be done with it already. No one wants to pay back 57k if they decide they want to leave, or heaven forbid wash out in training.
05-14-2018 | 03:33 PM
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Again....its plain and simple if you even think about coming here you need your head examined! This place will be out of business within a year due to staffing problems. We all have our applications out, and are leaving at a quick pace. Hope ole Bob is getting current, as he will need to fly the line once again. I am sending this garbage TA back for another round, but will likely not see the benefits, as I am leaving shortly for greener pastures. Remember this company has easily made 400-600 million
05-14-2018 | 04:18 PM
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Looking at this from the outside (I’m not at a AWC), I see this TA more as a smoke signal or foot-line drawn, by your management team to other regional carriers.
This TA is like a medieval battle scene. A man is about to battle, right as it begins he kneels in fear saying in panic “ I yield, I yield, no more, please no more, I yield.”
This TA is like a medieval battle scene. A man is about to battle, right as it begins he kneels in fear saying in panic “ I yield, I yield, no more, please no more, I yield.”
05-14-2018 | 05:12 PM
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Looking at this from the outside (I’m not at a AWC), I see this TA more as a smoke signal or foot-line drawn, by your management team to other regional carriers.
This TA is like a medieval battle scene. A man is about to battle, right as it begins he kneels in fear saying in panic “ I yield, I yield, no more, please no more, I yield.”
This TA is like a medieval battle scene. A man is about to battle, right as it begins he kneels in fear saying in panic “ I yield, I yield, no more, please no more, I yield.”
what does this mean?
05-15-2018 | 02:25 AM
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[No one wants to pay back 57k if they decide they want to leave, or heaven forbid wash out in training.]
This is a very valid point. What is termed a "hiring bonus" is actually an indenture. Can you imagine if every employer called half your salary a "bonus," and you had to pay it back if you didn't continue to work for a specified time? If it was truly a bonus, then $35,000/yr must be a living wage. Is anyone living 20 days a month on the road (and possibly also commuting another 10 days) for $35,000/yr? If you count all the hours away from home, that's less than $5.00/hr. I wonder why there's a pilot shortage?
This is a very valid point. What is termed a "hiring bonus" is actually an indenture. Can you imagine if every employer called half your salary a "bonus," and you had to pay it back if you didn't continue to work for a specified time? If it was truly a bonus, then $35,000/yr must be a living wage. Is anyone living 20 days a month on the road (and possibly also commuting another 10 days) for $35,000/yr? If you count all the hours away from home, that's less than $5.00/hr. I wonder why there's a pilot shortage?
05-15-2018 | 03:47 AM
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[No one wants to pay back 57k if they decide they want to leave, or heaven forbid wash out in training.]
This is a very valid point. What is termed a "hiring bonus" is actually an indenture. Can you imagine if every employer called half your salary a "bonus," and you had to pay it back if you didn't continue to work for a specified time? If it was truly a bonus, then $35,000/yr must be a living wage. Is anyone living 20 days a month on the road (and possibly also commuting another 10 days) for $35,000/yr? If you count all the hours away from home, that's less than $5.00/hr. I wonder why there's a pilot shortage?
This is a very valid point. What is termed a "hiring bonus" is actually an indenture. Can you imagine if every employer called half your salary a "bonus," and you had to pay it back if you didn't continue to work for a specified time? If it was truly a bonus, then $35,000/yr must be a living wage. Is anyone living 20 days a month on the road (and possibly also commuting another 10 days) for $35,000/yr? If you count all the hours away from home, that's less than $5.00/hr. I wonder why there's a pilot shortage?
Also you could defer that 5K until after as an option.
Finally if you think you are going to leave in under 2 years (IE Mitary) defer the whole thing and get paid 12 monthly installments in year 2 as it vests if you are still here.
Look bonus should 100% be made into hourly rates like Endeavor but to say you pay it all back if you wash out or leave is not completely accurate.
05-15-2018 | 06:44 AM
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Eight years of negotiations for what?
Absolutely nothing. We need to vote this down and recall our reps. And start all over including replacing Bob, Wayne and Luis on the negotiating committee. Then again, Wayne retires later this year.
Just my $.02
Where’s BillyHo to add his?
Absolutely nothing. We need to vote this down and recall our reps. And start all over including replacing Bob, Wayne and Luis on the negotiating committee. Then again, Wayne retires later this year.
Just my $.02
Where’s BillyHo to add his?
05-15-2018 | 07:53 AM
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In this day and age do we still give out beepers for reserve pilots? Why is that still in there?
Our current (2003 lol) contract is good/ok, but to attract the ever shrinking pool of regional pilot new hires we need to have a great contract. With just a ho-hum contract and us still flying -200's with no new fleet in sight, our staffing issues will only get worse.
Anyone find what we actually gain from this TA?
Our current (2003 lol) contract is good/ok, but to attract the ever shrinking pool of regional pilot new hires we need to have a great contract. With just a ho-hum contract and us still flying -200's with no new fleet in sight, our staffing issues will only get worse.
Anyone find what we actually gain from this TA?
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