2018 new TA
05-24-2018, 10:31 AM
#164
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Originally Posted by fenix1
Is this TA a sign that ownership plans to cash in - one way or another - within 2 years? (i.e., trying to keep everyone just happy enough for smoke to keep coming off the tires for one more day for as long as they can?)
Is the removal of pay rates for equipment with capacity of more than 50 pax noteworthy? Seems to contribute to the cash-in theory on one hand (doesn't AW almost HAVE to upgrade soon to remain viable??), but - on the other hand - if this agreement is written with just a 24 month term length in mind then I may reading into this unnecessarily.
Is the removal of pay rates for equipment with capacity of more than 50 pax noteworthy? Seems to contribute to the cash-in theory on one hand (doesn't AW almost HAVE to upgrade soon to remain viable??), but - on the other hand - if this agreement is written with just a 24 month term length in mind then I may reading into this unnecessarily.
Let’s not kid ourselves. I feel it was exceptional dumb-luck for AWAC that AA was stupid enough to allow their President in Scott Kirby to become President, of your biggest competitor without a single Non-Compete Clause, in United. That still is mind blowing to me.
Anyhow, so Kirby, who is an RJ *****, heads off to United knowing full well that AWAC was finished with AA in Feb 2018. He uses the leverage he has (which is clear we don’t have a dance partner in AA or Delta after the failed AIP) and makes us an offer.
I feel that the doors very well were closing this past Feb, but the RJ ***** got his fix one last time. I also highly doubt, given who Kirby is, that they are getting their beloved “10%” margin they would always spout off about. I think he took what he knew (no one to partner with) and used it against them in a “take it or leave it” deal.
05-24-2018, 05:11 PM
#165
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People have been speculating a merger/buyout/etc for years. The owners are making $$$ every day on airplanes they have either paid off or still have great financing on. They don't want to close the doors or give up their cash cow.
05-27-2018, 07:17 AM
#167
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Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat
Except that the ORD base for RAH is shrinking by the month.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/r...aring-act.html
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/r...aring-act.html
05-27-2018, 07:17 AM
#168
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
from what i’m hearing ,if this ta isn’t what we deserve,a lot of people will be looking for employment elsewhere.im sick and dam tired of jr mans and fdp extensions,absolutely tired of it.
Republic?? Same ord base,no jr man in their contract,better pay and hella better equipment.
Let them continue to loose flying and have staffing issues until we get what we deserve.
Maybe one day they will get their heads out of their arses in atw.
Republic?? Same ord base,no jr man in their contract,better pay and hella better equipment.
Let them continue to loose flying and have staffing issues until we get what we deserve.
Maybe one day they will get their heads out of their arses in atw.
05-27-2018, 07:26 AM
#169
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Since flight crews are really where the rubber meets the road operationally, the only thing operational excellence can attempt to do is motivate us to work harder. Reading the announcement thats essentially what theyre trying to do.
Pilots in general are helpful dedicated people, and this is an appeal to that nature. Its a psychological ploy to convince us to pick up open time or accept that junior man. Im flying my line and thats it. Not gonna play ball with them until they play ball with us.
Pilots in general are helpful dedicated people, and this is an appeal to that nature. Its a psychological ploy to convince us to pick up open time or accept that junior man. Im flying my line and thats it. Not gonna play ball with them until they play ball with us.
05-27-2018, 07:50 AM
#170
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Originally Posted by squib
Apparently you, Ken, are oblivious of day to day operations. Maybe try flying the line. Enjoy your flight pay loss like the rest of the guys who signed off on this hoping for another 2 years of flight pay loss.
I tend to agree.
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