2018 new TA
05-19-2018 | 04:22 AM
#131
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There's a big problem right there. Their opinion is of no concern of mine. I/we pay dues, fill out polls, talk at coffee stands, to have them voice OUR opinion. When they say well we know you guys said you wanted xyz but in our opinion decided we'll just accept this language and put it to a vote, it's probably time to start voting them out too.
05-19-2018 | 04:34 AM
#133
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There's a big problem right there. Their opinion is of no concern of mine. I/we pay dues, fill out polls, talk at coffee stands, to have them voice OUR opinion. When they say well we know you guys said you wanted xyz but in our opinion decided we'll just accept this language and put it to a vote, it's probably time to start voting them out too.
EXACTLY
How on earth does the MEC vote this as a yes to send to the pilot group when it clearly is the opposite of what the pilot polls showed. They even acknowledged that fact, yet here it is anyway.
Send them all back to the line and let them deal with the junior mans for a change.
05-19-2018 | 04:40 AM
#134
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Which is? In all seriousness, what are you worth? Is it a dollar figure? Is it a list of stuff? What dollar amount or set of work rules would qualify as “what you’re worth”? Also, when you answer the previous question, why did you pick that vs $1 more or one additional work rule?
05-19-2018 | 04:43 AM
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Think about how many cancellations happen every week because the company doesn't have enough pilots. To get pilots in the door and to the line is going to require a lot more than they're offering. Not to mention the contract violations and abuses the pilots have had to put up with the past few years. Finally the contract we are currently operating on is concessionary itself. Some people have lost as much as 10% of their pay when it was signed. To get 1% of that back, TWO YEARS from now is a smack in the face. Do I have a particular dollar figure in mind? I do, but I'm not dumb enough to advertise that to the forum and to the company and potentially undermine any future negotiations though.
05-19-2018 | 05:57 AM
#136
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I would love to seen a write up on what happens if/when this gets voted down, specifically with regard to negotiations. Do we get to start with a blank slate, or are we hamstrung by our “asks” of the past 8 years?
There are a lot of people out there that are ignorant of the rules in this situation, myself included.
There are a lot of people out there that are ignorant of the rules in this situation, myself included.
05-19-2018 | 06:10 AM
#138
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I would love to seen a write up on what happens if/when this gets voted down, specifically with regard to negotiations. Do we get to start with a blank slate, or are we hamstrung by our “asks” of the past 8 years?
There are a lot of people out there that are ignorant of the rules in this situation, myself included.
There are a lot of people out there that are ignorant of the rules in this situation, myself included.
It will restart negotiations. All sections are back open for bargaining. With that being said, with a second failed TA, you will probably be replacing your leadership and negotiating committee, plus all the mec that either get recalled or resign. So with all the work that goes into that and getting brought up to speed plus looking at how long it took from TA 2015, I can’t imagine we will be back at the table anytime soon.
05-19-2018 | 06:31 AM
#140
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It will restart negotiations. All sections are back open for bargaining. With that being said, with a second failed TA, you will probably be replacing your leadership and negotiating committee, plus all the mec that either get recalled or resign. So with all the work that goes into that and getting brought up to speed plus looking at how long it took from TA 2015, I can’t imagine we will be back at the table anytime soon.
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