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03-22-2021, 04:41 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by Hedley
OO obviously can’t take delivery of the E2 since they violate every scope clause. Embraer isn’t going to hold up deliveries to other companies because a regional with no chance of taking deliveries placed an order. You’re right though, this has nothing to do with AW vs G7. The viability of 50 seaters was more on topic.
is basically dead. So what OO would probably do is go rogue. They own all there own 175’s, they own all the E2 future orders and they no longer have obligations to scope because the contracts no longer exists.
Who they competing against in the 70-90 seat market?
Also the G7 AW discussion is like beating a dead horse. Nobody knows their fate until one receives a dreaded email. Both will probably be just fine.
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03-22-2021, 06:35 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
In house development is the next thing. United owns a flight school, Delta has propel. Contingency plans were well under way before Covid to have pipelines for next generation legacy pilots. Even LCCs are doing it, Frontier from ATP, Spirit has a ground instructor to pilot path. Majors and legacies are more than capable of training pilots ground up, there just wasn’t a need for the longest time. Big build up of mil guys waiting for hiring to restart too.
03-23-2021, 04:58 AM
#104
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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
I mean seriously have you learned nothing from UA in the past year? They invested much less in C5 than XJet. Although I’m fairly certain C5 will be just fine.
Also may I add United made a $1 billion investment in a company called Archer aviation, which is one of the new upcoming eVTOL ventures (ACIC). Man, it probably took them no later than a couple of hours to claim it was their initiative for clean energy. CRJ200’s and ERJ145’s are not a good look for the “clean energy” movement that suddenly UA has jumped into.
I’m extremely confident the 50 seater will be slowly fading away for good this time.
Also may I add United made a $1 billion investment in a company called Archer aviation, which is one of the new upcoming eVTOL ventures (ACIC). Man, it probably took them no later than a couple of hours to claim it was their initiative for clean energy. CRJ200’s and ERJ145’s are not a good look for the “clean energy” movement that suddenly UA has jumped into.
I’m extremely confident the 50 seater will be slowly fading away for good this time.
03-23-2021, 07:09 AM
#105
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Originally Posted by WICheeseHead
Wouldn't getting rid of 50 seaters be really bad for skywest then? I think half of all of their aircraft are crj 200's and with Scope being what it is it might be a bad thing.
03-23-2021, 09:16 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
News flash, not against scope tightening buddy, and well aware it creates more jobs “at the next level”.
Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
Honest question, why are UA pilots so hell bent on that? Why not just reduce the 50 seat scope to nothing in exchange to open more 76 seat flying?
I “paid my dues” so to speak at ZW. I did 9.5 years at the company and was just bored and checked on this thread and saw your comment. So I essentially was answering the question that you asked in quote #2 “I don’t understand why UA pilots are so hell bent on that?”
As for future hiring, Delta will be hiring end of this year or early 2022. I am sure UA will as well. Can’t speak to AA. You also have the LCC/ULCCs hiring. Guys in my class at Delta were LCC guys. Military guys. Regional guys. Corporate guys. Pretty solid mix, and when you take the entire pilot population and the handful of good majors to work for, I think our “turbine time” requirements are just fine.
I just did two recommendations for people here when we start hiring again. A JetBlue guy and a netjets guy. So that theory is out the window. Flew into Daytona Beach, Riddle (which I dislike) is alive and well. Booming. So the pipeline is still there and more than likely always will be. You’ll find out that working at any legacy the guys are pretty cool. Somewhere between the regionals and the legacies there’s a system that sorts the good from the bad. Not the pilot abilities, but the personalities. So for that reason some regional guys are paying dues for life—because well, their personalities and or attitudes are terrible.
My favorite line was flying with a captain there.Every trip was “I can’t afford to leave. Awac has the best insurance, industry leading retirement, and vacation is too hard to walk away from.” If you find those words coming out of your mouth someday—after applying everywhere and a couple interviews, take a long look in the mirror.
Good luck to you in your quest for bigger RJs!
03-23-2021, 09:43 AM
#107
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Originally Posted by Hedley
As opposed to what? Competing against their 737 with a CRJ 200? I rode on one to my last recurrent training event and overheard several people complaining about how much they didn’t like the tiny airplane and how they wished that they had flown Southwest. The 50 seater’s day is rapidly coming to an end. American, Delta, and United will compete against the ULCC’s with 737’s and 320’s with similar schedules. The industry is changing again. Some will like it, some will not.
People are liars, they couldn't care less what type of plane they are in as long as it was at their price point and departed around the time they wanted.
Judging by the amount of pax who constantly ask me where baggage claim is or where is the bathroom? (we are usually standing 5 feet from one) shows they usually aren't sophisticated people. This proves that they dislike small planes only whilst they are onboard. It won't stop them buying that same ticket again if it's the right price.
03-27-2021, 06:12 PM
#108
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I know logic has no place in this industry but do you think maybe what is happening at ZW is a precursor to a merger or acquisition of GoJet since Hulas wants out?
Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat
while ZW’s future may look bleak, the owners know how to make money. I doubt they are willing to quietly ride off into the night in 2 years at the end of the UA contract. The problem is we are a private company, so they don’t have to tell us jack squat. Is there a plan? Probably. No one who knows is saying anything though. The training here at ZW is amazing. You will be expected to know a good amount about the plane and think about real world situations. The 200 doesn’t hold your hand like the 700/900 doe systems wise.
G7, they seem to be the 550 darling, but as we saw with Compass, TSA, & Expressjet, contracts don’t mean too much in CPA land. One has to wonder how much magic Uncle Hulas has left in the bag. Same could be said for ZW though too. Honestly I really only see OO or RPA (maybe EDV) being safe in 5 years.
G7, they seem to be the 550 darling, but as we saw with Compass, TSA, & Expressjet, contracts don’t mean too much in CPA land. One has to wonder how much magic Uncle Hulas has left in the bag. Same could be said for ZW though too. Honestly I really only see OO or RPA (maybe EDV) being safe in 5 years.
03-28-2021, 12:04 PM
#109
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I know logic has no place in this industry but do you think maybe what is happening at ZW is a precursor to a merger or acquisition of GoJet since Hulas wants out?
it’s an EVALUATION DEPT
big difference
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