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Old 03-21-2021, 05:44 PM
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There’s also the possibility of a nextgen turboprop in the next decade.

Gen Z/Millenials have never flown on a turboprop and have no preconceived hatred for them. Make them comfortable, give them good WiFi, cheap tickets, and good eco-centric marketing and they’ll work.
I doubt it. Once they ride on one, they will be negatively biased.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon View Post
There’s also the possibility of a nextgen turboprop in the next decade.

Gen Z/Millenials have never flown on a turboprop and have no preconceived hatred for them. Make them comfortable, give them good WiFi, cheap tickets, and good eco-centric marketing and they’ll work.
That might be true, but I doubt that the 145’s and 200’s have 10 years left in them.
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I doubt it. Once they ride on one, they will be negatively biased.
Why? The tech exists to make them quieter and more comfortable than a CRJ.

the .1% fly in Pilatii and Kingairs all the time.
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Why? The tech exists to make them quieter and more comfortable than a CRJ.

the .1% fly in Pilatii and Kingairs all the time.
Well I doubt it, but who knows really. I’ll add that all future 175 orders are on the books for SkyWest. So AW needs to figure something out. As others stated, very late to be grabbing a 7/9 certificate.

I’m willing to bet behind closed doors AW is fighting for those 550’s aggressively. But may I also add, the CRJ program is shut down, so that’ll give them more time, but it doesn’t secure much of a future.
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Why? The tech exists to make them quieter and more comfortable than a CRJ.

the .1% fly in Pilatii and Kingairs all the time.
The typical PAX will see those thingees that spin around in front of the engines and have negative impressions. They have a feeling they are going slower than with jets. Many PAX cannot differentiate between turboprop and piston driven. The both have those spinners going round and round.
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Well I doubt it, but who knows really. I’ll add that all future 175 orders are on the books for SkyWest. So AW needs to figure something out. As others stated, very late to be grabbing a 7/9 certificate.

I’m willing to bet behind closed doors AW is fighting for those 550’s aggressively. But may I also add, the CRJ program is shut down, so that’ll give them more time, but it doesn’t secure much of a future.
Yep
They don’t even make anymore 7/900s anymore so any that they get ,IF they get any , will be worn out .
Me personally, I would lhave built a 175 program and moved forward with that. Skywest adding 20 more for AA, Mesa adding 20 more for UA to replace the 700s going to G7 for conversion. What do we get ? Nothing but a crappy rate to fly a plane that we haven’t secured flying for. WTF
The times , the industry, everything has changed and if they don’t change with it, they will be left in the dust by Skywest , Mesa etc .
No one cares that ZW was a premier place to work 20 years ago.
They are doing everything they can to tarnish that reputation in my opinion.
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They don’t even make anymore 7/900s anymore so any that they get ,IF they get any , will be worn out .
Me personally, I would lhave built a 175 program and moved forward with that. Skywest adding 20 more for AA, Mesa adding 20 more for UA to replace the 700s going to G7 for conversion. What do we get ? Nothing but a crappy rate to fly a plane that we haven’t secured flying for. WTF
The times , the industry, everything has changed and if they don’t change with it, they will be left in the dust by Skywest , Mesa etc .
No one cares that ZW was a premier place to work 20 years ago.
They are doing everything they can to tarnish that reputation in my opinion.
Unless GoJet fails and Air Wisconsin is actually awarded the 550 flying, going forward will be a rough road. With legacy scope maxed out, there are no more aircraft to be had unless AW can convince someone to shuffle the deck and deal them a hand.
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Unless GoJet fails and Air Wisconsin is actually awarded the 550 flying, going forward will be a rough road. With legacy scope maxed out, there are no more aircraft to be had unless AW can convince someone to shuffle the deck and deal them a hand.
scope is maxed out which is the saving grace for air Wisconsin, if United wants to serve po-dunk USA they need a 50 seater to do it. They would much rather run a smaller plane and make a little bit of money then stop service all together. Yes United says they don’t want them, but they also don’t want to lose customers.
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scope is maxed out which is the saving grace for air Wisconsin, if United wants to serve po-dunk USA they need a 50 seater to do it. They would much rather run a smaller plane and make a little bit of money then stop service all together. Yes United says they don’t want them, but they also don’t want to lose customers.
You can serve “po-dunk USA” with a 700 (550).

The AW CRJ200 fleet powered by CF34-3 engines are old gas guzzlers with multiple overhauls. The oldest 200’s in UA’s fleet correct?
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You can serve “po-dunk USA” with a 700 (550).
I think that is going to be the plan. Within 5 years (unless scope is relaxed or United buys another SNB) UAX will consist of the 550’s and the current 175’s. The 200’s and 145’s will be gone. With Delta getting rid of theirs and United’s new push to “go green”, I’d say that the 50 seaters are really on their last leg this time. Some of those small 50 seat only markets will be dropped. For example, people in CLL will just have to drive 1.5 hrs to IAH to travel.
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