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Old 08-23-2021, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets View Post
In the single class 50 seat market we clearly have the most in ORD. It doesn't take a detective or stats to see that.
It should make you really nervous OO management won’t touch 200 contracts anymore, which btw does nothing but print money for them, but they know something…
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Old 08-23-2021, 06:16 PM
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if that was the plan , why spend all the money to add the ac to our certificate? It’s money thrown away for no reason if that’s the case .
They buy g7out and take over their certs .
You can't "take over" certs.
Unless you want their pilots with it.
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Old 08-23-2021, 06:31 PM
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They will love our contract and, laughably, we get paid more to fly the 200 than they do the 550. Lol, while we are middle pack for pay. What scabs...
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You can't "take over" certs.
Unless you want their pilots with it.
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Old 08-24-2021, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill View Post
It should make you really nervous OO management won’t touch 200 contracts anymore, which btw does nothing but print money for them, but they know something…
As I recall, it was Delta who chose not renew their 200 contract, so don't act like your company doesn't have huge exposure to the changing marketplace as well.
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Old 08-24-2021, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Claxstarr View Post
And OO/YX are increasing 175 numbers out of ORD while ZW is still rocking the deuce.
Not exactly something to be proud of imho.
Say what you will, but the comment was in reference to outbidding Skywest. We won a contract as recently as 2017 and I'm sure we were bidding against them and others. In the category in which we fly, we are very competitive.

Now, maybe we should add more categories, fair enough, but my comment wasn't about that. It was about being good at what we do.
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Old 08-24-2021, 11:08 AM
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Facts 200’s industry wide are going away. Just like the DC9, 727, L1011 ect.. They only have so many years left as a airliner… airlines like ZW and C5 need to adapt. Sooner then later…
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Old 08-24-2021, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets View Post
As I recall, it was Delta who chose not renew their 200 contract, so don't act like your company doesn't have huge exposure to the changing marketplace as well.
Are you being serious? Why would Delta renew 10 year contracts for aircrafts they’re retiring in a few years?

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/skywest-orders-16-new-embraer-175s-for-delta/145002.article

This contract was signed less than 2 weeks ago, so clearly you’re not informed on what’s going on around the industry. AW flies the oldest UA 200’s of any contract carrier. That’s not good for you buddy.
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Old 08-25-2021, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill View Post
Are you being serious? Why would Delta renew 10 year contracts for aircrafts they’re retiring in a few years?

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/skywest-orders-16-new-embraer-175s-for-delta/145002.article

This contract was signed less than 2 weeks ago, so clearly you’re not informed on what’s going on around the industry. AW flies the oldest UA 200’s of any contract carrier. That’s not good for you buddy.
It's not very good for you either. Sure more 175s, replacing a/c you already fly (900s) is net zero flying. Also, say what you will but you lost their 200 flying and gained nothing else for Delta. Nearly a thitd of your operation is facing the same survival problem as us. You're almost certainly going to be a smaller airline with the loss of that flying.

I'm not saying I wouldn't like different airplanes, but again, if you'd read what I had been saying, we are very competitive in our category. We could be competitive in others as well.

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Old 08-25-2021, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets View Post
It's not very good for you either. Sure more 175s, replacing a/c you already fly (900s) is net zero flying. Also, say what you will but you lost their 200 flying and gained nothing else for Delta. Nearly a thitd of your operation is facing the same survival problem as us. You're almost certainly going to be a smaller airline with the loss of that flying.

I'm not saying I wouldn't like different airplanes, but again, if you'd read what I had been saying, we are very competitive in our category. We could be competitive in others as well.
Confirmed, GA2Jets has literally no idea what he’s talking about.
OO will be a net positive of >1700 pilots by the end of 2022.

It is unfortunate, but you’re “category” is already slated to disappear.
We’re reading what you’re saying, so try reading what everyone else is saying…..
AW a single customer contract (UA only) for a customer that has explicitly said that your aircraft is going to disappear soon.

JFK said it best, “Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.”
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Old 08-25-2021, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets View Post
It's not very good for you either. Sure more 175s, replacing a/c you already fly (900s) is net zero flying. Also, say what you will but you lost their 200 flying and gained nothing else for Delta. Nearly a thitd of your operation is facing the same survival problem as us. You're almost certainly going to be a smaller airline with the loss of that flying.

I'm not saying I wouldn't like different airplanes, but again, if you'd read what I had been saying, we are very competitive in our category. We could be competitive in others as well.
You guys have all your eggs in one basket, and you are living in some sort of alternate universe. Maybe you need to start paying more attention with what is going on with our AA and AS partnership. Considering the situation you are in, you should be sweating bullets right now.
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