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Awful lot of CTL open time just went up on the CA side. Knew it wouldn't take long.

CTL??

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Critical. 2x pay


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Duh, thank you.

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Meanwhile most of the FO open time is all STR...100+ still furloughed.

I've lost access to CSS since the 7th.

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And you know it’ll get picked up as opposed to assigned to reserves.

it’s sad that we have reserves not flying while our people are on the street while people are picking up. Really no incentive to recall when they don’t even use the reserves much. I guess the captains are choosing to think about the guys on the street which is causing them to have critical trips and all reserves being used. Also why they want more captains

I know one FO with 6 days off this month because he or she decided to pick up a ton of open time.

I heard an email came out today from the CEO. If so, I must have been removed from the email list because I have not received it.

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It more or less says we’ll still be in business until February 2023 and then basically expect to be asked to take concessions to continue beyond that. Wear your mask. We’re at 7000 block hours for November and December and it’s not going to increase beyond that anytime soon.

Well that sounds like sunshine and rainbows.

Bah! Humbug!

The duce canoe will be a beer can before 2023.

Duce canoe..... 😆

Duce canoe? Did Mussolini ride in a CRJ? 😂

Then either there’s a plan for new AC or United will be paying a ATW a nice chunk of change every month to do nothing.

Is 2023 a typo?

that's UAL CPA length

Is that your deal that was signed back in 2017? I thought that was a 4 year deal?

5 year extendable IIRC

5 to start and either party can choose to extend another 2 years I believe, didn’t start flying for them until Feb 2018, so that makes 2023 5 years.

I'm not at ZW

yes, that's that deal. It's through Feb 2023 with a two year extension option after that

Thanks for the replies. Glad for you guys it is 5 not 4

I’ll be surprised if they last until this time next year much less 2023

They will be flying cargo still at Mesa in 2100.

Will Mesa still exist by then, or will they have been bought out by one of the big freight dogs?

So word I hear is next round of recalls will be in spring 2021 ie 5-6 months away.

Anyone else heard anything?

Looks like I’ll be on the street soon with no luck at other jobs and flight instructing isn’t cutting it considering that’s discretionary income and my students have been laid off or furloughed.

I haven’t heard anything, but with United announcing no major block hour increase until at least Q2 2021, spring is probably the earliest I would even hope for. Sorry man, this really is the darkest timeline.

XJT got the darkest timeline. Not to minimize the suffering of whiskey furloughees at all, but it could be worse.

It could always be worse. You could be a Jew in Poland in 1939 or a Native American Indian in the 1800s.

We need to draw the line somewhere. Jeez

A lot of my friends were furloughed. It sucks. I wish there was more I could do to help them, but I have my own bills. And,..... to any recent aviation college grad, this IS the industry. It has always been like this. Do not become a pilot if you can’t make $300k and live like you make $90k.

I am not going to discuss the picking up of open time on this forum. I advise everyone else at AW to do the same.

There are worse things than furlough, is all I’m saying. Some are already being recalled. Good luck finding a job for a long time with 2000+ people from totally closed airlines on the streets.

I’m not looking for a job. I have one.

That wasn’t what I was saying at all... I have no idea what your status is and if you’re furloughed I’m glad you found something. I hope all our furloughees find either a temporary job that gets them through this time or an equal or better flying gig.

What I am saying is, in general, things could be worse than being a furloughed pilot at an airline that is still in business. In all likelihood the average pilot is probably going to get recalled before they could get hired at another 121 carrier. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck, but the darkest timeline does not involve recalling almost 20% of the furloughed pilots after a single month.

Here’s the reality coming from a furloughed pilot and what some of us are facing and yes AW is like any business that doesn’t really care because it’s all about money for them at the end of the day so no need to tell us “you knew what you were getting into” when you’re perched high enough to be safe from the flood.

1) I’m going to lose my home most likely.

2) Maybe if I’m lucky I’ll get an apartment or basement in a sketchy area (maybe).

3) I can’t afford car payments on unemployment benefits let alone pay bills or buy food for my family.

4) Flight instruction is BS because it is chump change and people aren’t spending in the current environment even if you teach full time.

5) We can’t afford daycare on one income and family is too far away to help watch the baby.

6) We basically have no health insurance (COBRA yeah whatever) so we can’t even get our baby checkups or vaccinations needed which renders her susceptible to infection or illness.

7) 26 job applications to 135 carriers and either its rejections or “we’re not hiring” and other jobs either don’t pay enough to survive or aren’t hiring.

8) Credit shot to s— because you either make late payments or no payments because your savings are being depleted or have been depleted.

9) Can’t go back to school because it involves more debt and no income.

10) The idiots in DC can’t seem to agree on a stimulus because of their political differences thereby screwing the very people who put them in office and who they are supposed to look after.


This the reality some of us are facing so forgive me if I don’t really care whether or not AW survives because they don’t really care if we do either.

As for a recall in the spring, as with all things AW I’ll believe it when it happens and I’m bailing the moment I find a job be it aviation or non-aviation related.

The irony? People I know who failed in training and got the boot are now in 135 carriers flying and making more money than a second year FO at AW.

Flying isn’t a dream anymore, it’s a nightmare and that’s the reality.

Don’t mean to sound grim but this is the life we live.

There's no better you could have said it. That's the reality on the ground my brother from another mother. No one's feelings can be hurt by this statement.

You’re 100% spot on. F the whole dam industry. It’s a complete scam. I’m not affected by this COVID crap at the moment but I get so mad for guys like you suffering. I can especially relate because I too have a family. Horrible management, weak unions, and skittish pilots that tiptoe and pull the company so as to “not make waves” so they can get to their dream legacy carrier 15 years later and be a bitter ****ed off SOB. If only ALPA actually gave any cares about the lowly regional group and would be more aggressive we could actually make enough in the good years to survive the in-between. Oh and holding management accountable for stock buy backs.

Yea this whole thing sucks with covid but this is how this industry is and always has been. People these days have been sold on bonuses and quick upgrades with a flow to a major without looking back at the history of the industry. One event can throw a wrench into the gears and grind everything to screeching halt as it has several times.

Imagine there was once a time when you needed 2,500 hours plus turbine time to get hired at a regional only to make $22/hr with no signing bonus. It wasn’t that long ago.

Heard this a thousand times, I have no empathy. Those who worked for $22hr as a pilot deserved exactly what they got paid. If pilots wouldn’t sell their souls to fly a shiny jet we wouldn’t have such absurdity. $22 an hour is why I avoided the airlines all together and went military first.