Originally Posted by IDriveJets (Post 3150308)

Here’s the reality coming from a furloughed pilot and what some of us are facing and yes AW is like any business that doesn’t really care because it’s all about money for them at the end of the day so no need to tell us “you knew what you were getting into” when you’re perched high enough to be safe from the flood.

1) I’m going to lose my home most likely.

2) Maybe if I’m lucky I’ll get an apartment or basement in a sketchy area (maybe).

3) I can’t afford car payments on unemployment benefits let alone pay bills or buy food for my family.

4) Flight instruction is BS because it is chump change and people aren’t spending in the current environment even if you teach full time.

5) We can’t afford daycare on one income and family is too far away to help watch the baby.

6) We basically have no health insurance (COBRA yeah whatever) so we can’t even get our baby checkups or vaccinations needed which renders her susceptible to infection or illness.

7) 26 job applications to 135 carriers and either its rejections or “we’re not hiring” and other jobs either don’t pay enough to survive or aren’t hiring.

8) Credit shot to s— because you either make late payments or no payments because your savings are being depleted or have been depleted.

9) Can’t go back to school because it involves more debt and no income.

10) The idiots in DC can’t seem to agree on a stimulus because of their political differences thereby screwing the very people who put them in office and who they are supposed to look after.


This the reality some of us are facing so forgive me if I don’t really care whether or not AW survives because they don’t really care if we do either.

As for a recall in the spring, as with all things AW I’ll believe it when it happens and I’m bailing the moment I find a job be it aviation or non-aviation related.

The irony? People I know who failed in training and got the boot are now in 135 carriers flying and making more money than a second year FO at AW.

Flying isn’t a dream anymore, it’s a nightmare and that’s the reality.

Don’t mean to sound grim but this is the life we live.

Originally Posted by Goingupinverted (Post 3150399)

Heard this a thousand times, I have no empathy. Those who worked for $22hr as a pilot deserved exactly what they got paid. If pilots wouldn’t sell their souls to fly a shiny jet we wouldn’t have such absurdity. $22 an hour is why I avoided the airlines all together and went military first.

Originally Posted by IDriveJets (Post 3150740)

So I’m pretty sure others got this too but I just opened up my mail for health insurance and the COBRA program is $2,500 per month for a family.

I guess we have $2,500 to throw out the window now right?

So I guess we’ll just stay un-insured and ask for for a miracle or death when one of us gets really sick and can’t afford medical attention.

Originally Posted by IDriveJets (Post 3150740)

So I’m pretty sure others got this too but I just opened up my mail for health insurance and the COBRA program is $2,500 per month for a family.

I guess we have $2,500 to throw out the window now right?

So I guess we’ll just stay un-insured and ask for for a miracle or death when one of us gets really sick and can’t afford medical attention.

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3150878)

Look into some of the ACA plans available on the marketplace. Whiskey was paying 75% of the health insurance premiums, carrying that same plan is going to be incredibly expensive.

Originally Posted by flightlessbirds (Post 3150920)

Remember this next industry up cycle during contract negotiations when management offers a 1-2% ‘raise’ in exchange for a ‘more modern, industry standard’ menu of health insurance options.

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3150922)

I don’t think that would ever change here, it’s an absolute non-starter to almost everyone except some of the former military pilots and single just out of college people.

Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 3151163)

the number of people I’ve come across who think rates are the end all / be all of contracts is concerning.

Originally Posted by jj158 (Post 3152967)

Looks like SkyWest is getting 21 550's. Great for them, but too bad we couldn't get those aircraft/hours.

Originally Posted by dhc8guru (Post 3152974)

they are leasing them to another expressjet carrier.

Originally Posted by prt135 (Post 3152989)

“SkyWest also secured agreements to acquire 21 used CRJ700s in a 50-seat configuration and lease the aircraft under a multi-year term to another regional airline operating for United Airlines. The aircraft purchases and leases are expected to be completed in Q4 2020.”

https://www.kpvi.com/news/regional_n...c6902e71a.html

Which United regional are these 21 planes going to?

Originally Posted by jj158 (Post 3152967)

Looks like SkyWest is getting 21 550's. Great for them, but too bad we couldn't get those aircraft/hours.

Originally Posted by Sculprit (Post 3153090)

The planes are already at GoJet. GoJet can’t afford them so sold the planes to OO who is in turn leasing them back to GoJet.

Originally Posted by dhc8guru (Post 3153468)

I'm not sure it was strictly because they couldn't afford them. They sold the planes to Skywest in order to gain a cash infusion to keep the operation running.
Maybe having the cash on hand was to avoid something in the short term like bankruptcy? Which doesn't bode well with investors.
I'm no economist, but it sounds like a smart move.

Originally Posted by dhc8guru (Post 3153468)

I'm not sure it was strictly because they couldn't afford them. They sold the planes to Skywest in order to gain a cash infusion to keep the operation running.
Maybe having the cash on hand was to avoid something in the short term like bankruptcy? Which doesn't bode well with investors.
I'm no economist, but it sounds like a smart move.

Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 3153860)

Just my opinion
But wait till you discover that Covid is just the Flu on steroids and will recur every year as well. Then comes the realization that vaccines will never be developed as in the case of Sars - unable.
Finally, the ultimate kicker - this whole event is a setup to set up one world gov't after breaking everyone's political will and bank account. Money will be printed into oblivion and people will cry uncle in hopes for enough food to survive.

Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3153140)

They have the funds to convert them.

Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 3153860)

Just my opinion
But wait till you discover that Covid is just the Flu on steroids and will recur every year as well. Then comes the realization that vaccines will never be developed as in the case of Sars - unable.
Finally, the ultimate kicker - this whole event is a setup to set up one world gov't after breaking everyone's political will and bank account. Money will be printed into oblivion and people will cry uncle in hopes for enough food to survive.

Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 3153860)

Just my opinion
But wait till you discover that Covid is just the Flu on steroids and will recur every year as well. Then comes the realization that vaccines will never be developed as in the case of Sars - unable.
Finally, the ultimate kicker - this whole event is a setup to set up one world gov't after breaking everyone's political will and bank account. Money will be printed into oblivion and people will cry uncle in hopes for enough food to survive.

Originally Posted by dhc8guru (Post 3153468)

I'm not sure it was strictly because they couldn't afford them. They sold the planes to Skywest in order to gain a cash infusion to keep the operation running.
Maybe having the cash on hand was to avoid something in the short term like bankruptcy? Which doesn't bode well with investors.
I'm no economist, but it sounds like a smart move.

Originally Posted by colive10 (Post 3153889)

They are already converted. Its a buy and lease back.

Originally Posted by IDriveJets (Post 3154114)

Yup and the Earth is flat and center of the universe

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3154414)

Don’t forget to fill up them tanks for them thar Chemtrails.

Originally Posted by IDriveJets (Post 3154415)

gotta love chemtrails lol

Originally Posted by Escargot (Post 3154471)

Anyone know how many senior guys took the early out? I remember hearing something like 5-6.

Originally Posted by flightlessbirds (Post 3154516)

The list is in this month’s ALPA Magazine.

Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3154855)

Anyone know anything good about the CRJ900 in delta colors parked in ATW?

Originally Posted by flightlessbirds (Post 3154516)

The list is in this month’s ALPA Magazine.

Originally Posted by Imapylot (Post 3154908)

It was in last month’s magazine not this month’s and the answer to the question is 6. Was that so hard?

Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 3154862)

doesn't Endeavor fly that in daily? I know our hangar has been used by other airlines before.

Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3154951)

Yep
they come in there every day now from Atl and Dtw, maybe msp too