If the plane is really hard broken, maybe. There was a Comair (yeah, it was a few years ago) parked at the PHL hangar for a couple days that needed a place and someone smarter than the typical contract mechanic to get it in working order.

Looks like ZW is hiring flight attendants. Could be a good sign for more pilot recalls?

Doubtful. Mesa is always proud to say they have never furloughed a flight attendant. But the sad fact is that the pay sucks so bad that the turnover is super high.

I’m surprised it’s taken this long, for every class of 25-30 maybe 3-4 are around one year later.

I’m thinking of applying as an FA lol...if they need a pilot I’m already there 😋

Turnover is super high for most that are 0-12 months on property. Most of them usally bail relatively quickly.

They’re simultaneously hiring FAs and offering FAs TOWOP. Doesn’t make sense to me.

maybe that's a covid/union thing. For people who don't want to work during the pandemic. But they still need fas.

It had an engine failure. ATW mx contracted to swap an engine. Nothing to see here.

They are having interviews starting next year with no projected staffing date. TOWOP is for current months schedules. Plus the turnover rate of flight attendants has always been an all time high because they don’t realize they are on call all day to fly to central wisconsin for min rest after their base just closed and did a two leg commute.

FWIW the job posting on the official Air Wisconsin Facebook says they’re interviewing FA’s at the end of the month for a February class

I’ll bet you look good in a skirt and heels 😂😂😂

And how did you get the internet all the way out in the 50s?

It needs a push up bra.

Hubba-hubba

So nobody thinks the owner of Gojets sold the planes to cash out because he couldn't sell the operation as an equitable company, and AW or Mesa will be flying 550's leased from Skywest?

Kinda sounds like he sold them so he can ride off into the sunset, and is only leasing them back though the holidays for a smoother transition. I would think it's extremely risk to sell the planes and pump the proceeds back into an airline in the middle of Covid, especially after shutting two down.

That is just wrong , however it does look better than some of our actual female fa’s 😂😂😂

That has been in the back of my mind since our earnings call. I don't know enough about Mesa's agreement with united, i.e. how scope limited they are. Since they seem to be taking more ERJs and trying to bring them to IAD as well, and it sounds like they're parking the 700s, I guess there's a chance the 550s could fit in at Mesa if they don't affect scope. However, AW still seemed like a more likely destination in my mind but that's just a wild guess. Mostly because of the effort to get the 700 on their cert, trying to develop a program, I'm sure they'd be eager to have them to help recall guys. Also already having an ORD base where GoJet has been flying the 550. I mean I guess mesa could try to set up ORD, but it just seems easier to AW already there. But again, that's just a wild guess. I never really thought they'd get the 737 over at Mesa, yet here we are in this timeline.

The scope issue now is for all RJ since they are limited to 100% of mainline NB hours.

Technically, the scope issue has always been for all rj’s. Before COVID, UAX consistently stayed below 100%, even though they were allowed 120%. It’s just that the 70/76 seaters were hull limited, and they never wanted enough 50 seaters to ring the bell. After COVID, UAX exceeded the 100% mark by a bunch some months, but were always compliant with the 12 month look back for a 120% average. Now, UAX is limited to flying less block hours than United NB block on a month by month basis until the LOA terminates.

Any updates on recalls? Are hours picking up any? Things looking better or worse (especially with the recent spike in covid cases nationwide)? 1500+ hour former Airman Trainee here waiting for the day I get that call to come in for training (tech interview passed, then covid struck). 41yr old career changer hoping they call my number before I age out :( - Fortunately I have a sugar momma to help me get by and a long list of students that keep me busy while I wait.

Nothing yet. Bump in hours for Nov/Dec but projected to remain flat for Jan. Company would probably rather utilize reserves and JM’s to cover flying Nov/Dec because block hours will likely dip in Jan. Vaccine may help early next year.

Checking to see if there are any more updates this month on flying, increase in hours, recalling furloughed pilots, etc. Any updates would be appreciated :)

Nope no news. Slight drop in January as flying traditionally slows at that time. We got a new jacket option though! Sorry man ☹️

Gold jacket, green jacket...I just want an oversized check.

Well no vacancy for January from what I hear from people. Honestly not waiting till March or April to get called back if that even happens with how things are going in the industry. There comes a point where the aggravation and desperation aren’t worth the dream anymore.

I was told recalls will probably not happen at all in the first quarter of 2021.

Has the company or union said anything on what might happen if this relief package passes in congress? There's a good deal of money for airlines in it

Not yet. Probably waiting for it to finalize. I feel like we’ve been “close” to another relief package since July. Fingers crossed that it’s good and it gets you all back on property.

if it doesn’t include recalling everyone and reupgrading all the downgrades, it will be a failure.

Ain’t happening today and with Christmas next week, they’ll drag it out until after the new year I suspect but I hope I’m wrong.

I’m past my recurrency like many others so I’m guessing there will be some retraining involved if we get recalled?

They'll have to back to the sim for a few bounces at a minimum. Those people that are now due for recurrent will have to do an MV/LOE and I'm guessing they'll toss a few warmup sims in there, but that's pure conjecture on my part.

Depends on the language. CARES 1.0 didn't protect against downgrades. Fingers crossed they will.

Since the company is planning on taking the latest round of govt money, that means that all furloughed pilots will be called back and paid retroactively from December 1st, correct?

We have to look at it holistically from a business standpoint so to speak.

Pilots aren’t the only ones furloughed. We have maintenance staff, ground staff, office staff etc.

Does it make sense to bring pilots back when the company is currently sufficiently staffed and meeting its obligations and pay them to sit reserve? Now they need to factor in cost of sending each person to the sim then most likely have them sit reserve. United has already said there’s no change to their current outlook until the end of Q1 2021.

There is also no guarantee that consumer confidence or air travel will bounce back by March or April and this latest stimulus runs out March end so basically they can bring us back but if things don’t pick up we risk another furlough.

Technically it’s cheaper to keep us pilots furloughed and bring back other people and start gearing up for the eventual return to demand by staffing other areas of operation gradually.

I hope I’m wrong but we aren’t privy to a lot of internal details and workings of how this will fan out from an operational and business standpoint.

Like I mentioned in one of my previous posts, we need a situation whereby the company has staffing issues for flying and HAS to bring us back.

I was miserable about the furlough since September but I’ve accepted it and hope for the best while looking for other opportunities and riding the unemployment pony.

Except one major thing, if they accept the money that also subsidizes their current staff. Meaning their labor cost actually goes down if they accept the money. If they don't, they will have to pay for staff on their own.

So if they need to preserve cash in the short term, taking the money makes the most sense, even if they just put the furloughees on payroll and have them do nothing through March.

Thanks for that long reply but it didn’t answer my question. They already said they are taking the money, so does that mean they have to bring back everyone that’s furloughed and pay them retroactively from December 1st?

In relation to your question, yes if pilots are recalled then they’d have to be paid from December 1st.

It’s all about what the conditions/wording of the money stipulate. They can recall staff and it doesn’t necessarily mean furloughed pilots.

Kirby said that there has yet to be any indication that demand will be better than it currently is for a while. Rather than actually recall employees, wouldn’t it burn less cash for a company to just mail them a check for the next few months? It’s payroll support, not work protection.

they can recall everyone, pay them 75 hours and not retrain them. Same exact thing you are saying just different wording.