Thanks. That’s what I thought. Hopefully increased demand will generate the actual need to recall in the next year or so. 2021 is going to be a rough ride while things get moving again.

Orange man sign bill.

Bout time...

Now what? Are all furloughees going back on payroll to sit at home until March? Then back to unpaid furlough?

Nothing yet. It's the week between Christmas and New Years, the lawyers/accountants/strategists need to crunch numbers. I wouldn't expect any announcement until the first week of Jan.

I thought el presidente already said they'd take the $$$. Prior to Trump punting on 4th and goal.

There is never a sure thing in this industry. Company made it seem like they would make an effort to get the grants and get people back on property, but the devil is always in the details.

Note the verbiage that was used. “We will work with...” “We hope”.

If it still makes sense when the dust settles, and it probably will, they will take the money and start recalling people. Just don’t expect it to happen before January. There are likely still some major details to work through.

I’m very optimistic, not trying to be a downer at all, but realistically you can’t expect the bill to get signed in the middle of the holidays then company announcing recalls before New Years.

PSA literally had recall letters ready to send out and recalled people before the bill was even signed (despite the delay). It may sound like BS but two of my friends who work there told me the moment they were recalled. Same thing with Piedmont; they recalled the moment an agreement was reached in the government and even gave people lines.

Granted the size of the companies and their flying is different but it’s an insight into their operation based on what American gives them.

I’ll still maintain that from a business/monetary standpoint it makes no sense to recall and spend money tossing people in the sim and pay them to sit at home for 3 months and if the pony is still limping, then they’ll have to furlough again. Don’t forget it’s not just flight crews on furlough.

All this is based on United telling us what flying they need done and Kirby has already said Q1 doesn’t look great and demand doesn’t appear to be coming back anytime soon if at all in Q1.

Recalls in Q2 during spring/spring break? That seems more probable as things tend to pick up then. All this hinges on slowing or curbing the spread of covid, state lockdowns/slowdowns, vaccine distribution, return to consumer confidence and return to spending. This country (if not the world) is going to need ******* surgery to recover from this mess and a lot of post-op care over time.

I think it’s realistic for people to go into 2021 with no expectations or expect the worst and hope for the best. Things won’t change overnight and people have also secured other jobs elsewhere so will they come back? Who knows?

But is PSA sending all those recalled pilots to sims or just putting them back on payroll until March? Hard to see ZW sending all the furloughees to sims. I’m assuming it’s more likely that they’ll just be on payroll, that’s it. Am I wrong?

The two guys I know got sim dates and supposedly per one of them American Airlines gave them “full block hours for spring and summer”

Unfortunately a lot more hinges on this then just Covid recovery. We just elected one of the most socialist, climate focused leaderships since the Obama administration. It is absolutely amazing how quickly people forget how 50 seat RJs were being parked in the desert because they were too expensive to operate. All economists say this is just around the corner again. Yes, we may put Covid behind us in the next 6 to 12 months, but then the next 3 to 5 years bring absolute gridlock as far as prosperity goes due to Climate policies. Why, oh why do people vote for the demise of their own jobs?? I'll never understand it, so don't try to explain it to me. There will be no recalls in the next 3 to 5 years, and if anything, there will only be more pilots furloughed after Covid.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...gy/ar-BB1ck4FJ

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...gas-companies/

The biggest threat to AW isn’t a politician. It is only operating the 200 for a company who has publicly said that it’s days are numbered, coupled with the LOA which reduces available block hours to UAX.

You are too worried about this. They said all the same socialist stuff about Obama in 2008, and whether or not you liked him, the free market continues to reign, terrorists didn't take over the government, and everyone still has their guns. More than ever actually.

Europe has a lot stricter environmental laws and airlines still operate there. China is investing huge in clean energy and is going to be the world leader in a few years. Are there airplanes there? Yeeeeeees....

United itself just invested big-time in a Carbon capture project so seriously, take a breath.

So since I became a citizen I’ve been hearing the word socialism being thrown around in America.

I hate to break it to people here but nobody has a clue what socialism is because people born here NEVER lived through it (or dictatorship or civil war or economic persecution) like some of us have and it makes me grateful to be an immigrant and have a greater understanding and appreciation of America.

This is a classic capitalist free market economy country. It will NEVER be socialist because it was never designed to be so.

There is also nothing wrong with climate focus. You want a good clean Earth to live in, you act responsibly and take care of it just like you’d take care of your own home.

Recalls and growth will happen. It is the natural order of things and free market economies. An opinion column on the Internet means nothing because opinions are meant to sell to the masses.

Let’s stick to the topic of recalls ultimately...

OOOOHHH REAALLYYYYY??

https://aviationdoctor.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/is-the-50-seat-regional-jet-really-so-bad-with-no-future/

You are a classic case of 'Bama amnesia. Let me guess, you hadn't even started college yet, and are currently just 2 years out of a Cessna 172? Yep.

https://www.investors.com/politics/c...for-cheap-gas/

But if he were socialist, literally name one significant industry that he nationalized. Hell even a non significant one.

Also no, I am well out of college with my ATP, got furloughed, got a different job and nevertheless would appreciate more aggressive environmental policies and investments.

Are you buddies with Newsom? Because your message is "Shut up unless it comes from a news source only I find credible" Let me guess, that would be CNN, ABC, PBS?? I'm surprised MSN / CNBC doesn't qualify for you. Let's stick to the topic of recalls? You refuse to discuss the consequences of your voting history. Typical. You stand with the same folks who are moving out of Illinois, California, and New York is Mass Exodus because of their voting history. Unable to be responsible for one's vote. These subjects directly impact Recalls buddy - and you refuse to acknowledge them!

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opini...412-story.html

My guess is they will recall everyone but not have them train until there is an actual demand increase. That way their total payroll expense is subsidized, but if nothing happens by March, they just furlough us like before.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rem...en-expert-says

You Sir, are a complete PUTZ.

So a company the government gave a loan to a company that then went out of business? Does that make Bank of America a socialist enterprise by sometimes investing in restaurants that fail? How about all of those socialists who invested in Theranos, yikes!!

Hb the Trump administration and investing millions and millions into pharma companies for vaccines? Is that socialism? I'm so scared.

Lol clown...

This reminds me of the mud wrestling scene from Stripes, sans pretty girls. Good job, guys. I think you both win a participation trophy.

Dark side, I suppose you're right. The CEO may say something, but don't let's forget that the jelly bean counters really run this ship.

Besides negotiated flying for Q1, I do wonder if there's any relation between willingness to recall and strength of pilot contract. I heard the woolly owns aren't as favorable for pilots.

J/k and not trying to call you out for grammar ...

... but ...

“woolly owns” seems like a great start to a whole different discussion about those outfits ... perhaps it is about their contracts so I can’t say I’m criticizing :)

I saw it and I liked it, so I left it.

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​​​​​​Whaaaaaaaa...

In the words of Gru...you’ve got to be pulling on my leg!

seriously? All recalled?

no but it got us off the other topic. Sorry I for sure read it wrong. That was really bad. There is a vacancy though. I’ll let someone that can read tell you how many are recalled.

Vacancy IS open on Flica, don't have CSS access to see if there's an announcement.

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My girlfriends brother cousin who knows a rampers next door neighbor who is friends with a flight attendants nephews cousin said her gate agent ex boyfriend sisters cousin told her the same thing

No recalls if I'm reading it right. Max backfill on furloughs is 111, which is the current number, which means no recalls. Vacancies in IAD will be filled by pilots in other bases.

If they want the new PSP money they must recall.

They must pay but not necessarily recall.

Yes, but on the current vacancy there are no recalls. Should they take the money they will have to pay those pilots at least.

For all we know they may opt to not even take the money at all.

If they’ve managed to keep the company staffed since October (with the reduced flying) and managed their financials without any assistance from the government, then they can certainly hack this out for another 3-4 months.

Beancounters know what they’re doing behind the scenes better than we do...

Doesn't the union have any idea?

No recalls
 

It states on this vacancy notice that it does not address any recall/furlough. I forget exact wording, but it made it sound like if and when the recalls happen it would be not on this vacancy but on another. Hopefully sooner than later.

They could theoretically update the vacancy if the money is taken.

Right but, again, the money would also reduce their current payroll significantly. It covers the 400-some pilots who are working right now. Why would it not be in their short term interest to just put the furloughees on some kind of paid leave?

Paid leave may not be allowed, depending on the wording in the paperwork from Uncle Sam