Recalls
10-24-2020, 08:41 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat
I haven’t heard anything, but with United announcing no major block hour increase until at least Q2 2021, spring is probably the earliest I would even hope for. Sorry man, this really is the darkest timeline.
10-25-2020, 09:18 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
XJT got the darkest timeline. Not to minimize the suffering of whiskey furloughees at all, but it could be worse.
It could always be worse. You could be a Jew in Poland in 1939 or a Native American Indian in the 1800s.
We need to draw the line somewhere. Jeez
A lot of my friends were furloughed. It sucks. I wish there was more I could do to help them, but I have my own bills. And,..... to any recent aviation college grad, this IS the industry. It has always been like this. Do not become a pilot if you can’t make $300k and live like you make $90k.
I am not going to discuss the picking up of open time on this forum. I advise everyone else at AW to do the same.
10-25-2020, 10:06 PM
#73
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Originally Posted by injun21
It could always be worse. You could be a Jew in Poland in 1939 or a Native American Indian in the 1800s.
We need to draw the line somewhere. Jeez
A lot of my friends were furloughed. It sucks. I wish there was more I could do to help them, but I have my own bills. And,..... to any recent aviation college grad, this IS the industry. It has always been like this. Do not become a pilot if you can’t make $300k and live like you make $90k.
I am not going to discuss the picking up of open time on this forum. I advise everyone else at AW to do the same.
We need to draw the line somewhere. Jeez
A lot of my friends were furloughed. It sucks. I wish there was more I could do to help them, but I have my own bills. And,..... to any recent aviation college grad, this IS the industry. It has always been like this. Do not become a pilot if you can’t make $300k and live like you make $90k.
I am not going to discuss the picking up of open time on this forum. I advise everyone else at AW to do the same.
10-25-2020, 11:08 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
There are worse things than furlough, is all I’m saying. Some are already being recalled. Good luck finding a job for a long time with 2000+ people from totally closed airlines on the streets.
I’m not looking for a job. I have one.
10-25-2020, 11:27 PM
#75
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Originally Posted by injun21
I’m not looking for a job. I have one.
What I am saying is, in general, things could be worse than being a furloughed pilot at an airline that is still in business. In all likelihood the average pilot is probably going to get recalled before they could get hired at another 121 carrier. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck, but the darkest timeline does not involve recalling almost 20% of the furloughed pilots after a single month.
10-26-2020, 11:49 AM
#76
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
That wasn’t what I was saying at all... I have no idea what your status is and if you’re furloughed I’m glad you found something. I hope all our furloughees find either a temporary job that gets them through this time or an equal or better flying gig.
What I am saying is, in general, things could be worse than being a furloughed pilot at an airline that is still in business. In all likelihood the average pilot is probably going to get recalled before they could get hired at another 121 carrier. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck, but the darkest timeline does not involve recalling almost 20% of the furloughed pilots after a single month.
What I am saying is, in general, things could be worse than being a furloughed pilot at an airline that is still in business. In all likelihood the average pilot is probably going to get recalled before they could get hired at another 121 carrier. I’m not saying it doesn’t suck, but the darkest timeline does not involve recalling almost 20% of the furloughed pilots after a single month.
1) I’m going to lose my home most likely.
2) Maybe if I’m lucky I’ll get an apartment or basement in a sketchy area (maybe).
3) I can’t afford car payments on unemployment benefits let alone pay bills or buy food for my family.
4) Flight instruction is BS because it is chump change and people aren’t spending in the current environment even if you teach full time.
5) We can’t afford daycare on one income and family is too far away to help watch the baby.
6) We basically have no health insurance (COBRA yeah whatever) so we can’t even get our baby checkups or vaccinations needed which renders her susceptible to infection or illness.
7) 26 job applications to 135 carriers and either its rejections or “we’re not hiring” and other jobs either don’t pay enough to survive or aren’t hiring.
8) Credit shot to s— because you either make late payments or no payments because your savings are being depleted or have been depleted.
9) Can’t go back to school because it involves more debt and no income.
10) The idiots in DC can’t seem to agree on a stimulus because of their political differences thereby screwing the very people who put them in office and who they are supposed to look after.
This the reality some of us are facing so forgive me if I don’t really care whether or not AW survives because they don’t really care if we do either.
As for a recall in the spring, as with all things AW I’ll believe it when it happens and I’m bailing the moment I find a job be it aviation or non-aviation related.
The irony? People I know who failed in training and got the boot are now in 135 carriers flying and making more money than a second year FO at AW.
Flying isn’t a dream anymore, it’s a nightmare and that’s the reality.
Don’t mean to sound grim but this is the life we live.
Last edited by IDriveJets; 10-26-2020 at 12:02 PM.
10-26-2020, 12:17 PM
#77
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Originally Posted by IDriveJets
Here’s the reality coming from a furloughed pilot and what some of us are facing and yes AW is like any business that doesn’t really care because it’s all about money for them at the end of the day so no need to tell us “you knew what you were getting into” when you’re perched high enough to be safe from the flood.
1) I’m going to lose my home most likely.
2) Maybe if I’m lucky I’ll get an apartment or basement in a sketchy area (maybe).
3) I can’t afford car payments on unemployment benefits let alone pay bills or buy food for my family.
4) Flight instruction is BS because it is chump change and people aren’t spending in the current environment even if you teach full time.
5) We can’t afford daycare on one income and family is too far away to help watch the baby.
6) We basically have no health insurance (COBRA yeah whatever) so we can’t even get our baby checkups or vaccinations needed which renders her susceptible to infection or illness.
7) 26 job applications to 135 carriers and either its rejections or “we’re not hiring” and other jobs either don’t pay enough to survive or aren’t hiring.
8) Credit shot to s— because you either make late payments or no payments because your savings are being depleted or have been depleted.
9) Can’t go back to school because it involves more debt and no income.
10) The idiots in DC can’t seem to agree on a stimulus because of their political differences thereby screwing the very people who put them in office and who they are supposed to look after.
This the reality some of us are facing so forgive me if I don’t really care whether or not AW survives because they don’t really care if we do either.
As for a recall in the spring, as with all things AW I’ll believe it when it happens and I’m bailing the moment I find a job be it aviation or non-aviation related.
The irony? People I know who failed in training and got the boot are now in 135 carriers flying and making more money than a second year FO at AW.
Flying isn’t a dream anymore, it’s a nightmare and that’s the reality.
Don’t mean to sound grim but this is the life we live.
1) I’m going to lose my home most likely.
2) Maybe if I’m lucky I’ll get an apartment or basement in a sketchy area (maybe).
3) I can’t afford car payments on unemployment benefits let alone pay bills or buy food for my family.
4) Flight instruction is BS because it is chump change and people aren’t spending in the current environment even if you teach full time.
5) We can’t afford daycare on one income and family is too far away to help watch the baby.
6) We basically have no health insurance (COBRA yeah whatever) so we can’t even get our baby checkups or vaccinations needed which renders her susceptible to infection or illness.
7) 26 job applications to 135 carriers and either its rejections or “we’re not hiring” and other jobs either don’t pay enough to survive or aren’t hiring.
8) Credit shot to s— because you either make late payments or no payments because your savings are being depleted or have been depleted.
9) Can’t go back to school because it involves more debt and no income.
10) The idiots in DC can’t seem to agree on a stimulus because of their political differences thereby screwing the very people who put them in office and who they are supposed to look after.
This the reality some of us are facing so forgive me if I don’t really care whether or not AW survives because they don’t really care if we do either.
As for a recall in the spring, as with all things AW I’ll believe it when it happens and I’m bailing the moment I find a job be it aviation or non-aviation related.
The irony? People I know who failed in training and got the boot are now in 135 carriers flying and making more money than a second year FO at AW.
Flying isn’t a dream anymore, it’s a nightmare and that’s the reality.
Don’t mean to sound grim but this is the life we live.
10-26-2020, 01:00 PM
#78
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Posts: 96
Originally Posted by IDriveJets
Here’s the reality coming from a furloughed pilot and what some of us are facing and yes AW is like any business that doesn’t really care because it’s all about money for them at the end of the day so no need to tell us “you knew what you were getting into” when you’re perched high enough to be safe from the flood.
1) I’m going to lose my home most likely.
2) Maybe if I’m lucky I’ll get an apartment or basement in a sketchy area (maybe).
3) I can’t afford car payments on unemployment benefits let alone pay bills or buy food for my family.
4) Flight instruction is BS because it is chump change and people aren’t spending in the current environment even if you teach full time.
5) We can’t afford daycare on one income and family is too far away to help watch the baby.
6) We basically have no health insurance (COBRA yeah whatever) so we can’t even get our baby checkups or vaccinations needed which renders her susceptible to infection or illness.
7) 26 job applications to 135 carriers and either its rejections or “we’re not hiring” and other jobs either don’t pay enough to survive or aren’t hiring.
8) Credit shot to s— because you either make late payments or no payments because your savings are being depleted or have been depleted.
9) Can’t go back to school because it involves more debt and no income.
10) The idiots in DC can’t seem to agree on a stimulus because of their political differences thereby screwing the very people who put them in office and who they are supposed to look after.
This the reality some of us are facing so forgive me if I don’t really care whether or not AW survives because they don’t really care if we do either.
As for a recall in the spring, as with all things AW I’ll believe it when it happens and I’m bailing the moment I find a job be it aviation or non-aviation related.
The irony? People I know who failed in training and got the boot are now in 135 carriers flying and making more money than a second year FO at AW.
Flying isn’t a dream anymore, it’s a nightmare and that’s the reality.
Don’t mean to sound grim but this is the life we live.
1) I’m going to lose my home most likely.
2) Maybe if I’m lucky I’ll get an apartment or basement in a sketchy area (maybe).
3) I can’t afford car payments on unemployment benefits let alone pay bills or buy food for my family.
4) Flight instruction is BS because it is chump change and people aren’t spending in the current environment even if you teach full time.
5) We can’t afford daycare on one income and family is too far away to help watch the baby.
6) We basically have no health insurance (COBRA yeah whatever) so we can’t even get our baby checkups or vaccinations needed which renders her susceptible to infection or illness.
7) 26 job applications to 135 carriers and either its rejections or “we’re not hiring” and other jobs either don’t pay enough to survive or aren’t hiring.
8) Credit shot to s— because you either make late payments or no payments because your savings are being depleted or have been depleted.
9) Can’t go back to school because it involves more debt and no income.
10) The idiots in DC can’t seem to agree on a stimulus because of their political differences thereby screwing the very people who put them in office and who they are supposed to look after.
This the reality some of us are facing so forgive me if I don’t really care whether or not AW survives because they don’t really care if we do either.
As for a recall in the spring, as with all things AW I’ll believe it when it happens and I’m bailing the moment I find a job be it aviation or non-aviation related.
The irony? People I know who failed in training and got the boot are now in 135 carriers flying and making more money than a second year FO at AW.
Flying isn’t a dream anymore, it’s a nightmare and that’s the reality.
Don’t mean to sound grim but this is the life we live.
10-26-2020, 01:22 PM
#79
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Yea this whole thing sucks with covid but this is how this industry is and always has been. People these days have been sold on bonuses and quick upgrades with a flow to a major without looking back at the history of the industry. One event can throw a wrench into the gears and grind everything to screeching halt as it has several times.
Imagine there was once a time when you needed 2,500 hours plus turbine time to get hired at a regional only to make $22/hr with no signing bonus. It wasn’t that long ago.
Imagine there was once a time when you needed 2,500 hours plus turbine time to get hired at a regional only to make $22/hr with no signing bonus. It wasn’t that long ago.
10-26-2020, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by squib
Yea this whole thing sucks with covid but this is how this industry is and always has been. People these days have been sold on bonuses and quick upgrades with a flow to a major without looking back at the history of the industry. One event can throw a wrench into the gears and grind everything to screeching halt as it has several times.
Imagine there was once a time when you needed 2,500 hours plus turbine time to get hired at a regional only to make $22/hr with no signing bonus. It wasn’t that long ago.
Imagine there was once a time when you needed 2,500 hours plus turbine time to get hired at a regional only to make $22/hr with no signing bonus. It wasn’t that long ago.
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