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Old 01-03-2021, 06:11 AM   #11  
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Ok, Chicken Little. I'm not sure why you care about ZW if you don't work there, but I'm sure you, as a super secret insider with the crystal decoder ring, have given everyone the real scoop. So thanks for that. We're very interested in you giving your opinion with zero facts to back it up. Now, if you don't mind fearmongering elsewhere, the adults were trying to have a conversation.
If it's bad news he has a lock on it.
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Old 01-03-2021, 06:12 AM   #12  
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So going into 2021, after seeing Mesaís report that all their 700ís are going to G7, if one reads between the lines that tells me we are NOT getting any new planes / type soon. As G7 expands, just looking at JAN bids our ORD footprint is decreasing, which for me at least is cause for concern.

To recap, Mesaís getting more jets, GoJet is getting more jets, our flying at what was our biggest hub is down, and no recalls planned...anyone else concerned yet?
Pangolin can probably confirm, but theyíre not getting MORE. For each 175 coming on property, a 700 is being removed. Itís a wash.
Thatís a pretty big distinction right now.

I donít have a crystal ball but is doesnít look good for G7 if they had to sell their remaining 700/550 frames to Skywest just to lease them from Skywest in order to have the cash just to operate for another few months.
Do they own any airframes anymore or are they all OO/UA owned now?

Iím still under the impression AW is being queued up for a G7 collapse.
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Old 01-03-2021, 06:15 AM   #13  
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Pangolin can probably confirm, but theyíre not getting MORE. For each 175 coming on property, a 700 is being removed. Itís a wash.
Thatís a pretty big distinction right now.
Yes it's a wash. Actually the draw down on the 700 is coming FASTER than the 175's are coming on board so it's temporarily a net negative. It'll be April or May before all 20 are on board, and the last 700 flies in February.
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Pangolin can probably confirm, but theyíre not getting MORE. For each 175 coming on property, a 700 is being removed. Itís a wash.
Thatís a pretty big distinction right now.

I donít have a crystal ball but is doesnít look good for G7 if they had to sell their remaining 700/550 frames to Skywest just to lease them from Skywest in order to have the cash just to operate for another few months.
Do they own any airframes anymore or are they all OO/UA owned now?

Iím still under the impression AW is being queued up for a G7 collapse.
A collapse by G7 that may or MAY NOT HAPPEN.
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With all things AW letís believe it when it happens 🙂
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I donít have a crystal ball but is doesnít look good for G7 if they had to sell their remaining 700/550 frames to Skywest just to lease them from Skywest in order to have the cash just to operate for another few months.
Do they own any airframes anymore or are they all OO/UA owned now?

Iím still under the impression AW is being queued up for a G7 collapse.
Why would the 550 necessarily go to one company over another if G7 were to fail? Couldnít they just as easily go to Mesa or SkyWest as they could go to Air Wisconsin? Iím not wishing harm to employees at any company, but in an industry where the legacies seem to be consolidating their regional feed, why would they keep it spread out rather than further consolidate it? Couldnít we expect that equipment to be open for bidding? Why would United shift those assets to Air Wisconsin if Mesa for example were to do the job for less and allow further consolidation?
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Yeah I think before itís all over Air Wisco will be put down. It seems to me UAís using ZW as a backup for both the leased 700ís and potential quick return to 2019 pax loads. Both are extremely unlikely.

I made a statement months ago in this thread that I thought this airline would find a way to survive. I believe with what Iíve read recently I was wrong.

Get the resume updated and looked over, you should already be applying everywhere. Some compass guys saw the writing and made the move before the rest got sent to the street. I know breeze airlines and Atlas is currently hiring.
There are at least two more years on the UA contract. No need for hysterics yet.
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There are at least two more years on the UA contract. No need for hysterics yet.
It was two or three years left on the xjt contract too .
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Why would the 550 necessarily go to one company over another if G7 were to fail? Couldnít they just as easily go to Mesa or SkyWest as they could go to Air Wisconsin? Iím not wishing harm to employees at any company, but in an industry where the legacies seem to be consolidating their regional feed, why would they keep it spread out rather than further consolidate it? Couldnít we expect that equipment to be open for bidding? Why would United shift those assets to Air Wisconsin if Mesa for example were to do the job for less and allow further consolidation?
Money. Mesa has the airframes. SkyWest doesn't want them. Mesa doesn't want to operate them. They don't have the established infrastructure in place at the bases it'll fly from AND the leases are to UA - UA is paying the lease so it's way more revenue than operating the aircraft.

AW and GJ both have the infrastructure. UA told Mesa they like single fleet airlines. I could see AW getting them or perhaps even some of them. Mesa does not care where they go - but they are not going to operate them. Something drastic would have to happen for that to even be a possibility at this point.
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It was two or three years left on the xjt contract too .
Also we are now in the calendar year that Republic Delta 145s were to start coming off contract. The future is indeed hard to predict.
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