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01-03-2021, 09:10 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
It was two or three years left on the xjt contract too .
01-03-2021, 09:15 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
United owned expressjet. Apples to oranges. There are penalties for breaking a contract, if you own the company you’re contracted to it doesn’t really matter.
Welllllllll technically United never paid Skywest fully for the purchase
01-03-2021, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
Money. Mesa has the airframes. SkyWest doesn't want them. Mesa doesn't want to operate them. They don't have the established infrastructure in place at the bases it'll fly from AND the leases are to UA - UA is paying the lease so it's way more revenue than operating the aircraft.
AW and GJ both have the infrastructure. UA told Mesa they like single fleet airlines. I could see AW getting them or perhaps even some of them. Mesa does not care where they go - but they are not going to operate them. Something drastic would have to happen for that to even be a possibility at this point.
AW and GJ both have the infrastructure. UA told Mesa they like single fleet airlines. I could see AW getting them or perhaps even some of them. Mesa does not care where they go - but they are not going to operate them. Something drastic would have to happen for that to even be a possibility at this point.
01-03-2021, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Thanks for the explanation. If GoJet failed, I could see Air Wisconsin getting the 550’s and retiring the 200’s. If they don’t fail, when United decides to no longer renew 200 flying, SkyWest is going to take a big hit, and Air Wisconsin is left with nowhere to go. With scope maxed out for the 70/76 seaters, this is turning into a high stakes game of musical chairs as the legacies start to pull 50 seaters out of the circle. Definitely scary times ahead for lots of people, and not just the pilots.
01-03-2021, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Finessed
The real question that should be asked. Why has the Utah mafia continuously self rid themselves of actually operating the 550. SkyWest management has made strong moves to take over the 175 market and lease out whatever CRJ they can to anyone, which makes zero sense, unless... they know something. The 550 was used as a dance around scope by UA management. How do we not know UA Management is negotiating scope with their union as we speak? I keep hearing this constant phrase “the 70-76 seater is maxed out”, but that could easily be renegotiated as long as it benefits UA pilots.
Skywest has proven there is more money in leasing than operating. Mesa wants to follow that lead.
01-03-2021, 02:14 PM
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550’s can not be operated on prorate markets.. (first class). OO knows that if UA ditches 50 seat aircraft that doesn't include EAS/Prorate markets. They would rater put there energy on that then fly the 550’s themselves... how many EAS markets does Air Wisconsin have?
01-03-2021, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Thanks for the explanation. If GoJet failed, I could see Air Wisconsin getting the 550’s and retiring the 200’s. If they don’t fail, when United decides to no longer renew 200 flying, SkyWest is going to take a big hit, and Air Wisconsin is left with nowhere to go. With scope maxed out for the 70/76 seaters, this is turning into a high stakes game of musical chairs as the legacies start to pull 50 seaters out of the circle. Definitely scary times ahead for lots of people, and not just the pilots.
It’s all about the EAS routes baby! The -200 isn’t going anywhere.
01-03-2021, 03:05 PM
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Again, there are at least two years left on the contract. That is an absolute eternity in airline time. If we’re anywhere even in the same ballpark as last year as far as traveler numbers by then there will be a massive void to fill. XJT was what, 100+ airframes?
The time to jump ship/be scared was back in February/March.
The time to jump ship/be scared was back in February/March.
01-03-2021, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I dunno. During their LOA negotiations for Covid the UA pilots actually gained significant ground re: scope. There are no more 76 seater flying and block hours are limited drastically. Maybe something is up but there’s been very little posturing by the company. I don’t see it loosening up.
Skywest has proven there is more money in leasing than operating. Mesa wants to follow that lead.
Skywest has proven there is more money in leasing than operating. Mesa wants to follow that lead.
01-03-2021, 03:52 PM
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Cut the Cocktail Sticks
That's all it takes folks:
https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/u...scinating.html
$80,000 annual savings. Enough to pay two FO's salaries for a year - which feeds the kids, supports two wives, and pays the bills for two families under two separate roofs.
Cheers.
https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/u...scinating.html
$80,000 annual savings. Enough to pay two FO's salaries for a year - which feeds the kids, supports two wives, and pays the bills for two families under two separate roofs.
Cheers.
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