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Old 02-16-2017 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
United would make the most sense/ provide the best hope with Kirby there now and his putting the kibosh on their 737-700 orders and the hope they were going to bring more RJ flying back in house. Maybe AWAC will get a CPP agreement in an effort to sweeten the deal.
The fact the company hasn't come to the group with a new contract means there's NO deal in the future. Period. I think they are working hard but if they haven't come to the pilots for a new deal there's nothing close to in the works.
Why would United come to AWAC? Hell they've got what they wanted in the 50 seat market with CommutAir and the East Coast flying. Plus I'm sure they remembered how AWAC left them to run off to US Airways in the past. Well maybe they don't hold a grudge like Delta does but still I don't see anything there.

AWAC can throw all kinds of money out to the group and by now it doesn't matter one bit when it comes to people staying or leaving. They need to grow and get the upgrade to come down. They need senior folks to move on to have that happen but those folks are to comfortable to go anywhere and don't want to start over.

None of which is happening. It's getting gloom and doom!
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Old 02-16-2017 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by StrykerB21
I dont know where these rumors are coming from but they really need to stop. No one benefits from unsubstantiated claims.
Agree. Besides, what your flight attendant told you she thinks will happen is not a rumor
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Old 02-16-2017 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
The fact the company hasn't come to the group with a new contract means there's NO deal in the future. Period. I think they are working hard but if they haven't come to the pilots for a new deal there's nothing close to in the works.
Why would United come to AWAC? Hell they've got what they wanted in the 50 seat market with CommutAir and the East Coast flying. Plus I'm sure they remembered how AWAC left them to run off to US Airways in the past. Well maybe they don't hold a grudge like Delta does but still I don't see anything there.

AWAC can throw all kinds of money out to the group and by now it doesn't matter one bit when it comes to people staying or leaving. They need to grow and get the upgrade to come down. They need senior folks to move on to have that happen but those folks are to comfortable to go anywhere and don't want to start over.

None of which is happening. It's getting gloom and doom!
Classic Billy.
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Old 02-16-2017 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
The fact the company hasn't come to the group with a new contract means there's NO deal in the future. Period. I think they are working hard but if they haven't come to the pilots for a new deal there's nothing close to in the works.
Why would United come to AWAC? Hell they've got what they wanted in the 50 seat market with CommutAir and the East Coast flying. Plus I'm sure they remembered how AWAC left them to run off to US Airways in the past. Well maybe they don't hold a grudge like Delta does but still I don't see anything there.

AWAC can throw all kinds of money out to the group and by now it doesn't matter one bit when it comes to people staying or leaving. They need to grow and get the upgrade to come down. They need senior folks to move on to have that happen but those folks are to comfortable to go anywhere and don't want to start over.

None of which is happening. It's getting gloom and doom!
Oh cool. Thanks for clearing that up for us. Much appreciated, douchebag.
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Old 02-16-2017 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Day4mx
Classic Billy.
I'm actually impressed. This was one of Billy's most legible troll posts yet! Only a couple grammatical errors this time.
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Old 02-16-2017 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus
I'm actually impressed. This was one of Billy's most legible troll posts yet! Only a couple grammatical errors this time.
Just ignore what he says anyway. Just another "mainline guy" that comes back to make comments in the regional threads to make himself feel good because the guys in the major threads don't care for his childish regional bull****.
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Old 02-16-2017 | 09:53 PM
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Flows to a legacy with 2:1 longevity.
You guys shouldn't have made those lateral movements to other regionals after all. 😉
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Old 02-16-2017 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Why would United come to AWAC? Hell they've got what they wanted in the 50 seat market with CommutAir and the East Coast flying. Plus I'm sure they remembered how AWAC left them to run off to US Airways in the past. Well maybe they don't hold a grudge like Delta does but still I don't see anything there.
It's business- money talks BS walks...

In the Nov 2016 investors call Kirby pointed out that Uniteds Domestic market has the greatest potential to improve profitability and has a fleet utilization that needed to be reviewed/adjusted. Additionally he pointed out that that United isn't maximizing its RJ scope.

If United could find a way to increase profitability on domestic routes by utilizing AWAC, why wouldn't they? It's not Like Kirby doesn't know how much they currently cost for AA and doesn't have the ability to exploit the desperation of AWACS owners into a better deal than some of Uniteds other contract carriers in exchange keeping them from shutting doors. Look how AAs WOs were treated under Kirbys tenure. There's no reason a struggling AWAC couldn't be used to whipsaw Uniteds other contract carriers into a more profitable deal, even if it's for another short period of time.

If that happens it wouldn't be unreasonable for United to make AWAC a CPP partner to add another source of pilots as well as provide the movement to keep AWAC staffed and enticing to prospective applicants.

Does it mean anything is certain? No, but currently United is probably AWACs best hope for a deal with a legacy partner before they shut down due to Uniteds pending restructuring of domestic routes to increase profits.

The only silver lining in the whole situation is that AWACs pilots will be able to find jobs elsewhere if the company ends up shutting its doors.
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Old 02-17-2017 | 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
It's business- money talks BS walks...

In the Nov 2016 investors call Kirby pointed out that Uniteds Domestic market has the greatest potential to improve profitability and has a fleet utilization that needed to be reviewed/adjusted. Additionally he pointed out that that United isn't maximizing its RJ scope.

If United could find a way to increase profitability on domestic routes by utilizing AWAC, why wouldn't they? It's not Like Kirby doesn't know how much they currently cost for AA and doesn't have the ability to exploit the desperation of AWACS owners into a better deal than some of Uniteds other contract carriers in exchange keeping them from shutting doors. Look how AAs WOs were treated under Kirbys tenure. There's no reason a struggling AWAC couldn't be used to whipsaw Uniteds other contract carriers into a more profitable deal, even if it's for another short period of time.

If that happens it wouldn't be unreasonable for United to make AWAC a CPP partner to add another source of pilots as well as provide the movement to keep AWAC staffed and enticing to prospective applicants.

Does it mean anything is certain? No, but currently United is probably AWACs best hope for a deal with a legacy partner before they shut down due to Uniteds pending restructuring of domestic routes to increase profits.

The only silver lining in the whole situation is that AWACs pilots will be able to find jobs elsewhere if the company ends up shutting its doors.
Uh huh. Did you read some company memo to verify all this or are you just putting pieces together in your own head.
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Old 02-17-2017 | 03:37 AM
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Meanwhile, two weeks go by and not a single peep from the union about that little fiasco they started. No apology, no explanation... Must be too embarrassed to show their faces.
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