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#5061
Why would United come to AWAC? Hell they've got what they wanted in the 50 seat market with CommutAir and the East Coast flying. Plus I'm sure they remembered how AWAC left them to run off to US Airways in the past. Well maybe they don't hold a grudge like Delta does but still I don't see anything there.
AWAC can throw all kinds of money out to the group and by now it doesn't matter one bit when it comes to people staying or leaving. They need to grow and get the upgrade to come down. They need senior folks to move on to have that happen but those folks are to comfortable to go anywhere and don't want to start over.
None of which is happening. It's getting gloom and doom!
#5062
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#5063
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The fact the company hasn't come to the group with a new contract means there's NO deal in the future. Period. I think they are working hard but if they haven't come to the pilots for a new deal there's nothing close to in the works.
Why would United come to AWAC? Hell they've got what they wanted in the 50 seat market with CommutAir and the East Coast flying. Plus I'm sure they remembered how AWAC left them to run off to US Airways in the past. Well maybe they don't hold a grudge like Delta does but still I don't see anything there.
AWAC can throw all kinds of money out to the group and by now it doesn't matter one bit when it comes to people staying or leaving. They need to grow and get the upgrade to come down. They need senior folks to move on to have that happen but those folks are to comfortable to go anywhere and don't want to start over.
None of which is happening. It's getting gloom and doom!
Why would United come to AWAC? Hell they've got what they wanted in the 50 seat market with CommutAir and the East Coast flying. Plus I'm sure they remembered how AWAC left them to run off to US Airways in the past. Well maybe they don't hold a grudge like Delta does but still I don't see anything there.
AWAC can throw all kinds of money out to the group and by now it doesn't matter one bit when it comes to people staying or leaving. They need to grow and get the upgrade to come down. They need senior folks to move on to have that happen but those folks are to comfortable to go anywhere and don't want to start over.
None of which is happening. It's getting gloom and doom!
#5064
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Joined: Sep 2015
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The fact the company hasn't come to the group with a new contract means there's NO deal in the future. Period. I think they are working hard but if they haven't come to the pilots for a new deal there's nothing close to in the works.
Why would United come to AWAC? Hell they've got what they wanted in the 50 seat market with CommutAir and the East Coast flying. Plus I'm sure they remembered how AWAC left them to run off to US Airways in the past. Well maybe they don't hold a grudge like Delta does but still I don't see anything there.
AWAC can throw all kinds of money out to the group and by now it doesn't matter one bit when it comes to people staying or leaving. They need to grow and get the upgrade to come down. They need senior folks to move on to have that happen but those folks are to comfortable to go anywhere and don't want to start over.
None of which is happening. It's getting gloom and doom!
Why would United come to AWAC? Hell they've got what they wanted in the 50 seat market with CommutAir and the East Coast flying. Plus I'm sure they remembered how AWAC left them to run off to US Airways in the past. Well maybe they don't hold a grudge like Delta does but still I don't see anything there.
AWAC can throw all kinds of money out to the group and by now it doesn't matter one bit when it comes to people staying or leaving. They need to grow and get the upgrade to come down. They need senior folks to move on to have that happen but those folks are to comfortable to go anywhere and don't want to start over.
None of which is happening. It's getting gloom and doom!
#5066
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Just ignore what he says anyway. Just another "mainline guy" that comes back to make comments in the regional threads to make himself feel good because the guys in the major threads don't care for his childish regional bull****.
#5068
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From: Gear slinger
Why would United come to AWAC? Hell they've got what they wanted in the 50 seat market with CommutAir and the East Coast flying. Plus I'm sure they remembered how AWAC left them to run off to US Airways in the past. Well maybe they don't hold a grudge like Delta does but still I don't see anything there.
In the Nov 2016 investors call Kirby pointed out that Uniteds Domestic market has the greatest potential to improve profitability and has a fleet utilization that needed to be reviewed/adjusted. Additionally he pointed out that that United isn't maximizing its RJ scope.
If United could find a way to increase profitability on domestic routes by utilizing AWAC, why wouldn't they? It's not Like Kirby doesn't know how much they currently cost for AA and doesn't have the ability to exploit the desperation of AWACS owners into a better deal than some of Uniteds other contract carriers in exchange keeping them from shutting doors. Look how AAs WOs were treated under Kirbys tenure. There's no reason a struggling AWAC couldn't be used to whipsaw Uniteds other contract carriers into a more profitable deal, even if it's for another short period of time.
If that happens it wouldn't be unreasonable for United to make AWAC a CPP partner to add another source of pilots as well as provide the movement to keep AWAC staffed and enticing to prospective applicants.
Does it mean anything is certain? No, but currently United is probably AWACs best hope for a deal with a legacy partner before they shut down due to Uniteds pending restructuring of domestic routes to increase profits.
The only silver lining in the whole situation is that AWACs pilots will be able to find jobs elsewhere if the company ends up shutting its doors.
#5069
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Joined: Jun 2016
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It's business- money talks BS walks...
In the Nov 2016 investors call Kirby pointed out that Uniteds Domestic market has the greatest potential to improve profitability and has a fleet utilization that needed to be reviewed/adjusted. Additionally he pointed out that that United isn't maximizing its RJ scope.
If United could find a way to increase profitability on domestic routes by utilizing AWAC, why wouldn't they? It's not Like Kirby doesn't know how much they currently cost for AA and doesn't have the ability to exploit the desperation of AWACS owners into a better deal than some of Uniteds other contract carriers in exchange keeping them from shutting doors. Look how AAs WOs were treated under Kirbys tenure. There's no reason a struggling AWAC couldn't be used to whipsaw Uniteds other contract carriers into a more profitable deal, even if it's for another short period of time.
If that happens it wouldn't be unreasonable for United to make AWAC a CPP partner to add another source of pilots as well as provide the movement to keep AWAC staffed and enticing to prospective applicants.
Does it mean anything is certain? No, but currently United is probably AWACs best hope for a deal with a legacy partner before they shut down due to Uniteds pending restructuring of domestic routes to increase profits.
The only silver lining in the whole situation is that AWACs pilots will be able to find jobs elsewhere if the company ends up shutting its doors.
In the Nov 2016 investors call Kirby pointed out that Uniteds Domestic market has the greatest potential to improve profitability and has a fleet utilization that needed to be reviewed/adjusted. Additionally he pointed out that that United isn't maximizing its RJ scope.
If United could find a way to increase profitability on domestic routes by utilizing AWAC, why wouldn't they? It's not Like Kirby doesn't know how much they currently cost for AA and doesn't have the ability to exploit the desperation of AWACS owners into a better deal than some of Uniteds other contract carriers in exchange keeping them from shutting doors. Look how AAs WOs were treated under Kirbys tenure. There's no reason a struggling AWAC couldn't be used to whipsaw Uniteds other contract carriers into a more profitable deal, even if it's for another short period of time.
If that happens it wouldn't be unreasonable for United to make AWAC a CPP partner to add another source of pilots as well as provide the movement to keep AWAC staffed and enticing to prospective applicants.
Does it mean anything is certain? No, but currently United is probably AWACs best hope for a deal with a legacy partner before they shut down due to Uniteds pending restructuring of domestic routes to increase profits.
The only silver lining in the whole situation is that AWACs pilots will be able to find jobs elsewhere if the company ends up shutting its doors.
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