Yep...you are correct. The new hires get the sign on bonus spread out over three years and if the airline is still around the will upgrade to captain two years after the bonus runs out.


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Not sure if you're saying that's how it's actually going to pan out or not so this isn't directed at you, but break out a calculator let's all sit down for math class.

Roughly 250 FO's on property, whom most of which where also told "2-3 year upgrade," yet 4 years later are still pulling gear for exCA146.

Let's say Joe Pilot gets hired tomorrow and expects worst case 3 year upgrade. Again, ignoring the fact that there is no foreseeable future beyond a year from now, and the other 250 pilots need to upgrade first. 36 months divided by 250 pilots ahead of Joe would tell us that roughly 7 pilots a month need to upgrade, indefinitely.

There's already not enough FO's to cover current flying so the upgrade can't begin yet. Let's entertain the other point of view and say "well when the announcement comes out, things will rapidly change." Let's reset that calculator. Wait until fall for the announcement, it's still going to be 3 months to get new guys on the line, and in the meantime everyone has been leaving for other opportunities. But let's do math again.

Hopefully assume 250 FO's are still on property (likely not past May 16th), still awaiting their 2-3 yr upgrade they were told to anticipate now 4.5-5 years later, meanwhile the guys hired today are 6 months into their 2 year upgrade but still waiting with 250 ahead of them.

There's been a giant stagnation and unless it's an announcement of additional aircraft and not just an extension to the current fleet that is currently being parked, the attrition isn't going to hold up the expectations.

 

Agreed, they have lots of problems to solve, upgrade time being one of them. A bonus that runs out at three years when everyone looking at the situation knows upgrades are going to take much longer isn't going to get guys in the door. They were out of time months ago and the hole keeps getting deeper.


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You're speaking logic. Not sure that's allowed here.

 

Alot of smoke coming out of appletonia but I ain't seeing no fire quite yet.

 

ARW never fails to approve crappy language. They should have put a realistic time limit on the signing bonus before they signed their balls away. Never before have I seen a "signing" bonus stretched out to 3 YEARS. That's 3x longer than our actual retention bonuses

Just take one guess what happens to all that promised money if they close the doors... $15,000 gets you to warm the seat just long enough for them to ride into the sunset. You could get the same money at Gojet ffs...with a faster upgrade and a future.

But at least the FOs are getting paid. And the captains are......

 

Rumor I heard is going back to United. But no growth. Just status quo. When that happened last time all the midwest commuters up and quit/moved on. So maybe some movement initially as CAs who live in east coast bases go nuts with the commute.

 

United would make the most sense/ provide the best hope with Kirby there now and his putting the kibosh on their 737-700 orders and the hope they were going to bring more RJ flying back in house. Maybe AWAC will get a CPP agreement in an effort to sweeten the deal.

 

Maybe AWAC will pull a rabbit out of its ass and get you guys a straight flow through to United.......😆😅😄😃
Just thought you needed a good laugh lol

 

I dont know where these rumors are coming from but they really need to stop. No one benefits from unsubstantiated claims.