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Old 03-01-2017 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumbletrousers
Worse for me means 4 hour sits, A/C swaps, double deadheads, uncommutable lines.

I'm all for working less and getting paid but when you have a 12 hour duty day and only get paid for 5.5 hours, that's frustrating.
That 12 hour duty day pays 6.
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Old 03-01-2017 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by squib
Those people should learn to live within their means. Some people survive off flipping burgers. That argument is completely invalid. Learn how to manage your money.
This is why I came after you so hard for talking out of your a-s last time. I dare you to say this to your next captain that complains about their 25% pay cut. And be sure to tell him about that 200% trip you picked up, because I guarantee you they aren't being offered that.........
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Old 03-01-2017 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by IFLYACRJ
It'll be different. I'm sure we will be transitioning over to the United System much quicker than we think


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They'll fly the minimum number of aircraft required under the language of the extension with American, and begin to transition the remainder of the aircraft to United paint and rebranding.

The logistics of new domiciles, moving expenses, phantom bids, operations shifts, training changes will take time though. I don't see it happening before September.

Originally Posted by squib
That 12 hour duty day pays 6.
Just be sure to audit your paycheck.
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Old 03-01-2017 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus
This is why I came after you so hard for talking out of your a-s last time. I dare you to say this to your next captain that complains about their 25% pay cut. And be sure to tell him about that 200% trip you picked up, because I guarantee you they aren't being offered that.........

HA, There's no pay cut.
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Old 03-01-2017 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by squib
HA, There's no pay cut.
Alright. Where do I even begin with this one...

If you work for the same employer for 20 years getting paid 100 hours per month, but now the employer says "oh hey Carl from now on you can only credit 75 hours per month", what happens to your take-home pay? It gets CUT..
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Old 03-01-2017 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by squib
Yup. We aren't the only career where people have a great deal of responsibility. Oh and those positions also pay similarly or less at the end of the year.

There is no pay cut here, you applied to an airline where the monthly pay was 75 hours a month. That's it. You work more you get paid more.

I'm not sure how you're doing math but $800 for the "average captain" is like 10 hours. So pick up one critical STL turn and call it a day. And if $800 breaks your budget, your doing it wrong in the first place.


This guy... assuming we all live pay check to pay check and that's why we miss the money... obvious under achiever. I'm losing probably 800/mo in 401k contributions alone from averaging 108-120 credit hrs per mo to just getting 75hr guarantee. You obviously have no money management skills beyond just paying the bills. Some of us are trying to invest and save for down the road and the current situation is crap at zw. Not to mention that for the only guarantee we get 4 and 5 am start times, 12 hr days and 11hr overnights.... that enjoyable.


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Old 03-01-2017 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus
Alright. Where do I even begin with this one...

If you work for the same employer for 20 years getting paid 100 hours per month, but now the employer says "oh hey Carl from now on you can only credit 75 hours per month", what happens to your take-home pay? It gets CUT..
So is that the average 20 year history Steve? I'm pretty sure when you got hired for the job it said 75 hours credit per month. Which at the end of the day if above average, even at mainline. If you live your life based on more than that, you have my condolences.
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Old 03-01-2017 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by squib
So is that the average 20 year history Steve? I'm pretty sure when you got hired for the job it said 75 hours credit per month. Which at the end of the day if above average, even at mainline. If you live your life based on more than that, you have my condolences.
Dammit Carl, don't you understand the difference between a salary and a minimum?

Do you honestly think AW is assigning captains 4 day trips with 15 block hours and 4 hour sits in CLT to make their lives easier? Silly Carl...
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Old 03-01-2017 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
Yup. We chose a career where we have a great deal of responsibility and make more money for it.

But, if you cut that working guy from 5 days a week to 4 days a week, thus cutting his pay, and blamed him for needing the money that he is willing to work for, then you are part of the problem.

Cutting everyone back to minimum guarantee is not acceptable. For the average captain, you are taking about $800 a month out of their bank accounts.
You chose a career and knew what the pay was when you took it, if you took a job at a bank you would prob never get overtime. You have been lucky to have it, be glad you work at an airline that pays 75 guarantee, there are several that don't. Guarantee is just that , you aren't promised anything more, you haven't taken a pay CUT you have been lucky to make over the guarantee. If there was a promise of more then guarantee would be 100 hours.
If you were at a major you would be making more per hour, so staying at a regional is a pay cut too?
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Old 03-01-2017 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy19348
You chose a career and knew what the pay was when you took it, if you took a job at a bank you would prob never get overtime. You have been lucky to have it, be glad you work at an airline that pays 75 guarantee, there are several that don't. And if you are unhappy with it, I am sure they will accept your resignation.


Premium pay was also part of the contract for the place I chose to work, meaning I also chose that place because I could make more than guarantee.


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