Air Wisconsin
04-14-2017 | 07:46 PM
#5521
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42ER. Another welcome aboard. In spite of the rough patches, AWA is a great place to work with great people. Every regional has it's share of ups and downs, but it comes down to where you think is the best place for you and again, AWA on a bad day is better than any other place on their bad days. And most days aren't that bad. (Granted I've got some seniority protection). But if things start moving you should be flying a bunch and moving up the list. Probably a good time to get on.
Regarding studying, does AWA send out any material beforehand? If not Stryker said it. Relax and bring a good attitude. PM me if you have any questions.
Regarding studying, does AWA send out any material beforehand? If not Stryker said it. Relax and bring a good attitude. PM me if you have any questions.
Yes welcome aboard. I'll echo what the others said. When I was a mentor for new pilots (what happened to that program?), the pilots I talked to having problems had the worst attitudes. That obviously doesn't get you far. Get a study group together and hammer the topics hard that give you then most trouble- for me it was electrical.
And once on OE, don't be timid about turning off the AP and flying the plane if you find yourself behind the airplane using the FCP.
Best of luck to you
And once on OE, don't be timid about turning off the AP and flying the plane if you find yourself behind the airplane using the FCP.
Best of luck to you
A little food for thought. I have a good friend that I've mentored recently wash out of training. While I'll be the first to admit my friend bears some of the responsibility. I'm going to pass on to you some of my thoughts of his training experience.
I spent considerable time tutoring him from prior to training on how to prepare, throughout each phase of training. During sim training we spoke one hour a day before or after each sim session.
Having worked for six airlines during my career and having training department experience and have tutored alot pilots through training at numerous airlines over the years. I personally found Air Wisconsin one of the worst training of all the airlines I've worked for or helped someone through training.
Everything from the manuals, to inconsistent & standard training from
the instructors to large gaps of training breaks throughout the entire process.
Before anyone jumps all over me I'll close with the following. 5 out of 6 pilots in this new hire class washed out. That's slightly better then a 16% pass rate. Yes all who washed out are somewhat responsible but it also sheds light on a very weak training program at Air Wisconsin.
Best of luck. I'll give you some of the same advice I gave my friend. Memorize limitations, memory items, normal checklist responses, flows and profiles as early in the process as possible. Stay as far ahead with that as possible having all of the above solidly memorized prior to pre sim CPT and have ingrained in your head backwards and forwards prior to the sim training.
I spent considerable time tutoring him from prior to training on how to prepare, throughout each phase of training. During sim training we spoke one hour a day before or after each sim session.
Having worked for six airlines during my career and having training department experience and have tutored alot pilots through training at numerous airlines over the years. I personally found Air Wisconsin one of the worst training of all the airlines I've worked for or helped someone through training.
Everything from the manuals, to inconsistent & standard training from
the instructors to large gaps of training breaks throughout the entire process.
Before anyone jumps all over me I'll close with the following. 5 out of 6 pilots in this new hire class washed out. That's slightly better then a 16% pass rate. Yes all who washed out are somewhat responsible but it also sheds light on a very weak training program at Air Wisconsin.
Best of luck. I'll give you some of the same advice I gave my friend. Memorize limitations, memory items, normal checklist responses, flows and profiles as early in the process as possible. Stay as far ahead with that as possible having all of the above solidly memorized prior to pre sim CPT and have ingrained in your head backwards and forwards prior to the sim training.
Wow. I was starting to let my guard down, but thanks for the wake-up call. Can you tell us when was that class? Is it in the recent history?
Thanks.
04-14-2017 | 07:55 PM
#5522
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42ER,
Let me add my welcome aboard. And I would echo some good advice for coming here: memorize your limitations, profiles, normal checklist responses. When you get it, learn the IAC.
Just to give you some reference, my class (Sept 2000) had a 100% pass rate. And we trained in the aircraft (sim only for windshear). It IS all about attitude, bring a good one and you'll do fine. PM me with any questions as well. I check in on here roughly every other day.
ID
Let me add my welcome aboard. And I would echo some good advice for coming here: memorize your limitations, profiles, normal checklist responses. When you get it, learn the IAC.
Just to give you some reference, my class (Sept 2000) had a 100% pass rate. And we trained in the aircraft (sim only for windshear). It IS all about attitude, bring a good one and you'll do fine. PM me with any questions as well. I check in on here roughly every other day.
ID
04-15-2017 | 01:32 AM
#5523
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2015
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I actually think the training here is quite good. Since late 2015, they have been focusing on what's important instead of rote memorization of useless numbers. My class had 10/13 of us make it through, exactly as I expected to happen from day one.
All you need is a good attitude.
All you need is a good attitude.
04-15-2017 | 03:49 AM
#5524
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2011
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I'll say my word and walk out, I didn't think the training department was bad, but there was a lot of useless Info you are expected to know that other airlines don't care about, when I took the systems test about 20/100 were performance figures and math and weight and balance that I've since learned other companies don't even ask or teach. The amount of limitations that were needed to be known were almost triple to my now company. But none the less, it's a lot of gee whiz info that it's nice for small talk than for actual practical purposes. The instructors were overall good but he biggest eye opener was the standards for the check ride. Especially for the older guys that have done recurrent many times, and they'll know you'll get a certain person who grills you for 2-3 hours or someone who talks about Motorcycles for an hour and calls it good. There isn't a lot of middle ground. It's either super tough or just smile and nod. Either way, it comes down to you, you can hit up the leg lounge everyday after class until bed or you can hit the books and study groups and pass. The biggest thing is your attitude.
04-15-2017 | 04:01 AM
#5525
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Thank you, both! I asked the recruiter if there is any material to be studied before arriving at the training, she said no. But I do think I still have the CRJ200 system CBT from my school. I will look over those.
Wow. I was starting to let my guard down, but thanks for the wake-up call. Can you tell us when was that class? Is it in the recent history?
Thanks.
Wow. I was starting to let my guard down, but thanks for the wake-up call. Can you tell us when was that class? Is it in the recent history?
Thanks.
Best of luck, hopefully they'll fix their training issues.
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04-15-2017 | 07:09 AM
#5526
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2015
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Certainly a lot of useless info that you had to learn when I went through in 2013. That being said- learn it and you'll do fine. Get the Andy Philbin study guides and if you know all that the oral will be a breeze.
I do agree, ridiculous to have an IAC with memory items and then being expected to memorize everything.
I do agree, ridiculous to have an IAC with memory items and then being expected to memorize everything.
04-15-2017 | 08:52 AM
#5527
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Joined: Mar 2014
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Yes there is a lot of information to memorize. I would argue that the info is good and pertinent to your job.
I found AWAC's training and standards to be excellent and high which I appreciated (after the fact). It's a testament to their training that I fell back on it when going through training at my current carrier which wasn't as good IMO despite their significant investment in the training department and equipment.
When going through initial training at AWAC I sat along with some sims to learn and watch. I saw one session where the person ended up washing out at the end of the course. It was deserved. In my own class the top three most experienced guys didn't make it, two were current 121 turboprop guys.
I had a six week gap between sim and OE. Just stay up on procedures and use the time off to relax.
I found AWAC's training and standards to be excellent and high which I appreciated (after the fact). It's a testament to their training that I fell back on it when going through training at my current carrier which wasn't as good IMO despite their significant investment in the training department and equipment.
When going through initial training at AWAC I sat along with some sims to learn and watch. I saw one session where the person ended up washing out at the end of the course. It was deserved. In my own class the top three most experienced guys didn't make it, two were current 121 turboprop guys.
I had a six week gap between sim and OE. Just stay up on procedures and use the time off to relax.
04-16-2017 | 08:16 AM
#5529
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Since your apparently in the Air Wisconsin training department can you comment as to why in a recent newire class made up of six new hires, why only one made it through successfully? You can't blame that all on the pilots, this reeks of significant Air Wisconsin training program deficiencies in their new hire training program.
04-16-2017 | 08:26 AM
#5530
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Since your apparently in the Air Wisconsin training department can you comment as to why in a recent newire class made up of six new hires, why only one made it through successfully? You can't blame that all on the pilots, this reeks of significant Air Wisconsin training program deficiencies in their new hire training program.
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