I was a yes at first for that 2015 TA...then republic came out with their TA right in the middle of our voting and they had pay increases and even some better QOL improvements for reserves that we didn't have and much better per diem.

I voted no because I realized that we could do better .

 

It didn't take a genius to read the last ta and determine it was crap.

 

Any word on when the TA may be made public?

 

“Are You Looking at the Trees, or the Whole Forest?”

I’ll never forget that line.

 

Their main sales tactic was to repeatedly tell us if we vote yes we can keep our october first raise implying it was going away if we voted no. They had to sell it under false pretenses it sucked so hard.

 

There is no question that it was a very disappointing TA and woefully short of what we deserved, but that doesn't mean it was concessionary, nor does it mean that ratifying it would have been a mistake. The fact is that it matters not one bit how much bargaining power you think you have, it only matters how much bargaining power the company thinks you have. And given the 2.5 years it has taken to get TA2, they obviously have a very different opinion.

 

Ha, yeah that was a good one.

I wasn't looking for the moon on the last TA, but seriously as a captain it offered me 0 anything. And if I get nothing out of a TA, then why would I vote yes? There has to be something that makes me want it. Since then we've seen some substantial increases in regional pay. Meanwhile we are struggling to staff and cancelling flights due to staffing. Maybe the company and mec tosses us another proposal worth diddly and we vote it down, or they wake up and get with the times (record profits) and pay us a substantial amount of $$ to get people here and to stick around more than a few months before they say F all these junior mans and go to endeavor. I do like the double pay for getting hosed and having it in open time has pocketed me some cash too. I'd love to help the company get new guys by raising 1st year pay and making it rain bonuses, but there's this whole pilot group thing that needs to be addressed in the form of pay before I'm a yes vote to anything. If I read a TA and it says status quo plus 1 percent or some other insulting value, the next coffee and conversion is going to be ugly. I hope that's not the case.

 

I agree with this whole heartedly. This is spot on.

 

A 2% increase in premium share is a concession. That is what makes it a concessionary contract.

1. A ten cent raise in per diem from 1.60 at the time to 1.70 would not have offset the increased cost of our insurance.

2. Per diem is not for covering healthcare expenses, its for covering meals on the road.

3. They raised per diem anyway.

So yes it was concessionary.

 

I never said it was concessionary. I said minimal gains with a trade off for healthcare premium increase, hence I used the word garbage.

Everyone has their own opinion, however the masses spoke with the last TA and it was a NO. If this one is just another spin off from the first with no major gains, it will hopefully also be a NO.