sailingfun

Not if Skywest owns or controls them.

THE SHAFT

Wrong....reference Republic Airlines which operated at least 3 separate certificates, Republic, Shuttle America and Chitty Kitty. Republic had 190's on certificate which was not allowed per the DAL CBA. Therefore they didn't fly for DAL, the shuttle cert did with the same pilots same contract just separate certificates.

SkyWest is dissolving the ASQ certificate under the DCI brand strictly to use that cerfticate to fly larger (76+ 86,000+) under the AS brand, mark the tapes.

waterboy

Are you sure? In addition to THE SHAFTs reference, I believe this was also the reason GoJets started. TSA was not allowed to fly anything larger than 50 seaters because of their ASA with AA. So a new certificate was made and they started flying CRJ-700 and 900s for UA.

sailingfun

The first thing to consider is that UAL has the same scope. The Delta language has a exemption provided the aircraft are never flown on any city pair Delta or a affiliate operates and remain under 97 seats. With the route networks today that is impossible to comply with. There is a reason the the major RJ CEO's state repeatedly that they can't go forward with the MRJ or 175-E2 without a increase in scope weights. Section 1 D. 2. C. Defines weight and seats.

Exception: If a carrier or an affiliate of a carrier that performs category A or C operations acquires an aircraft that would cause the Company to no longer be in compliance with the provisions of Section 1 D. 2. c., the Company will terminate such operations on the date that is the later of the date such aircraft is placed in revenue service, or nine months from the date that the Company first became aware of the potential acquisition.

ecam

I always get a little chuckle of how amateur lawyer pilots INSIST how air tight their scope clauses are, and brag about the severe penalties that will rain down for disrespecting their authorit-ay. Then in a few years, the real lawyers, who make millions a year to do this, find a loophole, bribe them, or back them into a corner to the scope line moves again. Wash, rinse repeat.

I think the possibility of SkyWest operating the MRJ on the ASQ certificate actually makes a lot of sense. And despite blathering and chest thumping by legacy pilots online, they will most likely get away with it. Worst case scenario, SkyWest tells DAL to pound sand. That relationship isn't the greatest anyhow.

The solution is, and always has been one list for all. No more alter ego, no more 2nd/3rd tier pilots. All branded aircraft flown by pilots on that seniority list.

Unfortunately, this battle has been fought and litigated since the late 90s and instead of the logical, but undesired solution, short sighted legacy pilots keep trying to build higher border walls instead of welcome stations. As long as they keep doing that, management will keep winning.

PNWFlyer

We will build a wall at AS and make Delta pay for it! Make AS Great Again!

full of luv

The "walls" you bemoan, ie "scope clauses" are the legacy pilots only attempts to stem the tide of Airline Mgmts attempt to place all flying as at "regional" rates.

US Pilots are expensive.

There's no doubt about it that left to their own devices, airline mgmt would hire regional airline contractors to fly all domestic narrowbody aircraft and would codeshare/JV all international flying.

This would allow them to control labor completely by taking away flying whenever any particular group started to get "too expensive".

ecam

That was so dumb it must be flame bait. Yes, I'm sure Delta Air Lines wants to contract its MD/757/767/777s to regionals as it shutters the regionals and flies 717s/MDs and soon CS to all the cities said regionals used to fly to. You're livin' in the 90s man! The cost savings isn't there anymore, and the quality of the product sucks. In house is the mode now.

But JV. Yeah. You guys sure screwed the pooch on that one. You're worried about RJs while Chinese and Mexican pilots are replacing you for less than the senior RJ pilots make. Attaboy Captain. Way to keep your eye on the ball!

ShyGuy

Alaska is the only legacy airline that has no scope, nada, zilch. Maybe you should ask yourself why, instead of making excuses about lawyers and loopholes. At least those "amateur lawyer pilots" at the other legacies got scope passed that restricts weight, seats, number of RJs, furlough clauses that reduce regional operations, etc.

You are right the best long term solution is one list for all mainline and regional operations. You start as a legacy new hire FO on a Q400 or RJ and let seniority work you up from there to bigger planes. But until that day, scope is very important.

full of luv

Don't worry about it ecam, once cabotage is ever lifted, every american pilot will be too expensive unless they agree to work for a contract company based in Singapore for crap wages.