AS Plans to Launch in 30 More Markets by 2018
09-13-2017, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
Well, I'd gather a list of airlines that Alaska management is comparing us to for pay purposes. Then I'd add up all of the mainline hulls at those companies and divide by the total number of outsourced hulls at those companies.
My point is if they want to include Frontier/Spirit/Allegiant/Jetblue/Virgin rates for our pay comparison, I'd like to include them in the average for what an "industry standard" scope ratio would look like.
Otherwise they can compare our outsourcing to DAL/AMR/UAL only, and I'll compare the pay to only those companies.
My point is if they want to include Frontier/Spirit/Allegiant/Jetblue/Virgin rates for our pay comparison, I'd like to include them in the average for what an "industry standard" scope ratio would look like.
Otherwise they can compare our outsourcing to DAL/AMR/UAL only, and I'll compare the pay to only those companies.
09-13-2017, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by WutFace
None of the ULCCs/LCCs have regional feed. So Alaska gets either get air tight scope, reclaim all the regional flying, and average LCC pay rates. Or they stop with the charade and pony up the legacy pay scales.
That was a glaring oversight in the contract comparison the union published. They had bar graphs for our outsourcing compared to the other airlines that outsourced, but no bar graphs to show comparison to SWA, etc.
But when you went to the pay section, by golly, there was Frontier, JetBlue, Virgin...
09-13-2017, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
Precisely.
That was a glaring oversight in the contract comparison the union published. They had bar graphs for our outsourcing compared to the other airlines that outsourced, but no bar graphs to show comparison to SWA, etc.
But when you went to the pay section, by golly, there was Frontier, JetBlue, Virgin...
That was a glaring oversight in the contract comparison the union published. They had bar graphs for our outsourcing compared to the other airlines that outsourced, but no bar graphs to show comparison to SWA, etc.
But when you went to the pay section, by golly, there was Frontier, JetBlue, Virgin...
What part do you all not get about the union asking you not to discuss this on social media. Let's wait till the ruling please.
And since I'm guessing you don't work for AAG because you mentioned virgin as a comparison. Please do us a favor and do not discuss.
There are management trolls on here folks.
09-13-2017, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by plt32173
What part do you all not get about the union asking you not to discuss this on social media. Let's wait till the ruling please.
And since I'm guessing you don't work for AAG because you mentioned virgin as a comparison. Please do us a favor and do not discuss.
There are management trolls on here folks.
And since I'm guessing you don't work for AAG because you mentioned virgin as a comparison. Please do us a favor and do not discuss.
There are management trolls on here folks.
And I don't work for AAG because I mentioned Virgin? I mentioned Virgin because the union included them. They're the dark green line on the graphs on pages 3 and 7 of the contract comparison distributed via company ipad. But then somehow at the bottom of page 26, those pretty bar graphs fail to include anyone but UAL/DAL/AMR. Does that help?
Last edited by pete2800; 09-13-2017 at 03:03 PM.
09-13-2017, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
Ah, haha. Discuss what? All I'm discussing is how you calculate a comparative average. This is math at about a third grade level. If you think this info isn't readily available for any of the parties involved, I don't know what to tell you.
And I don't work for AAG because I mentioned Virgin? I mentioned Virgin because the union included them. They're the dark green line on the graphs on pages 3 and 7 of the contract comparison distributed via company ipad. But then somehow at the bottom of page 26, those pretty bar graphs fail to include anyone but UAL/DAL/AMR. Does that help?
And I don't work for AAG because I mentioned Virgin? I mentioned Virgin because the union included them. They're the dark green line on the graphs on pages 3 and 7 of the contract comparison distributed via company ipad. But then somehow at the bottom of page 26, those pretty bar graphs fail to include anyone but UAL/DAL/AMR. Does that help?
My 2nd grader understands $TFU
10-24-2017, 06:58 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by G4IND
Things are pretty quiet route wise out at AS I see, is it mostly due to the VX consolidation?
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