Originally Posted by EskimoJoe

Strictly referring only to the drugging allegations, Does it really make any sense the a Captain would just carry around "date rape" drugs with him waiting for the perfect opportunity to use them? Is the perfect opportunity to lace his 39 year old retired military FO's (whom he's never met) drink in the concierge room of the hotel in the presence of other crew members?

There's not enough local bar fly's, or other random women to attempt this on? Women that would have no idea who he is or where to find him? He does this to his F.O.? He's willing to expose himself to a potential attempted murder charge, rape charges, end his career, and face a very long prison sentence because this concierge room scenario with his F.O. is the perfect situation he's been waiting for? He's willing to gamble that she's just going to blow it off and finish the trip as normal?

It's either this scenario or she got herself absurdly drunk on an overnight. I've known a few raging alcoholics. One of them died at 42YO. Some people simply cannot control it once they go down that path. I have no idea what happened here, but there's really only two scenarios one has to choose from. One of them is decidedly more far fetched than the other.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

If she was drugged with Quaaludes, she would not have made it back to her room on her own at 2:46 am, as the statement says. She would not have unconscious vomiting as described with any of the drugs, and two glasses of wine.



What she is describing is textbook alcohol poisoning.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

What he said.

Now if the samples taken from such a probable-cause DOT test still existed, they could potentially be tested later for other things (no idea what DOT policy is on retention). But as someone pointed out, roofies have a short metabolic half-life... might have been gone by dawn.

Originally Posted by SpeedyVagabond

Best post in this thread, Joe. Not so common common sense finally appears.

Originally Posted by EskimoJoe

Strictly referring only to the drugging allegations, Does it really make any sense the a Captain would just carry around "date rape" drugs with him waiting for the perfect opportunity to use them? Is the perfect opportunity to lace his 39 year old retired military FO's (whom he's never met) drink in the concierge room of the hotel in the presence of other crew members?

There's not enough local bar fly's, or other random women to attempt this on? Women that would have no idea who he is or where to find him? He does this to his F.O.? He's willing to expose himself to a potential attempted murder charge, rape charges, end his career, and face a very long prison sentence because this concierge room scenario with his F.O. is the perfect situation he's been waiting for? He's willing to gamble that she's just going to blow it off and finish the trip as normal?

Originally Posted by EskimoJoe

It's either this scenario or she got herself absurdly drunk on an overnight. I've known a few raging alcoholics. One of them died at 42YO. Some people simply cannot control it once they go down that path. I have no idea what happened here, but there's really only two scenarios one has to choose from. One of them is decidedly more far fetched than the other.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

OF COURSE these are known side effects of benzodiazepines. Do a little research before you play online pharmacologist:


Medical Editor: John P. Cunha, DO, FACOEP

Last reviewed on RxList 03/17/2017
Xanax (alprazolam) is a benzodiazepine used as an anti-anxiety medication prescribed to treat panic attacks and anxiety disorders. Xanax is available in generic form. Common side effects of Xanax include:

Drowsiness
Tiredness
Dizziness
Sleep problems (insomnia)
Memory problems
Poor balance or coordination
Slurred speech
Trouble concentrating
Irritability
Diarrhea
Constipation
Increased sweating
Headache
Nausea
Vomiting
Upset stomach
Blurred vision
Appetite or weight changes
Swelling in your hands or feet
Muscle weakness
Dry mouth
Stuffy nose

From a recent study:

On Feb, 20, 2018
84,702 people reported to have side effects when taking Xanax.
Among them, 4,890 people (5.77%) have Vomiting

Number of reports submitted per year:

Could Xanax cause Vomiting?
Time on Xanax when people have Vomiting *:

< 1 month: 46.15 %
1 - 6 months: 12.82 %
6 - 12 months: 3.85 %
1 - 2 years: 6.41 %
2 - 5 years: 23.08 %
5 - 10 years: 2.56 %
10+ years: 5.13 %
Gender of people who have Vomiting when taking Xanax *:

female: 74.28 %
male: 25.72 %
Age of people who have Vomiting when taking Xanax *:

0-1: 0.05 %
2-9: 0.07 %
10-19: 1.1 %
20-29: 7.56 %
30-39: 12.65 %
40-49: 23.11 %
50-59: 24.06 %
60+: 31.4 %

Originally Posted by Mesabah

I did all the research actually, you posted the side effects of Xanax ~10mg per day, straight from Merck. Problem is, the FO would absolutely know something was in her drink at that concentration.



But perhaps maybe, the captain dropped 20 0.5 mg tablets in her second glass of wine, and she only passed out for a few hours. Eventually, finding her way back to her room. Considering, that would knock me out cold for 12 hours+ at my 6'1 200lbs.

Occam's razor is she over drank on an empty stomach, probably was dehydrated with low blood sugar from flying all day. I've spent the night puking in a hotel after playing flip cup for a few hours with the crew after a long day, it happens. Normally I can drink quite a bit.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

Common sense? Is it common sense for the guy to try to get it on with a newbie he barely knows? Has the dude never watched Basic Instinct?

For that matter, she's his SUBORDINATE for crying out loud. Even if it was her idea it's still risky as h€ll, especially if she IS drunk. From a legal standpoint under Minnesota law, from a career standpoint, and definitely from a marital standpoint.

Do you seriously think it is "common sense" for any captain to get it on with a junior employee he barely knows on the company's time and the company's dime? Is this considered a perk of the job?

Is that truly what passes for "common sense" at Alaska?

Originally Posted by Mesabah

I did all the research actually, you posted the side effects of Xanax ~10mg per day, straight from Merck.

Originally Posted by SpeedyVagabond

I’m not even going to get into a discussion about sex with co-workers especially after alchohol is introduced to the mix. That’s for each individual to decide.