jet Blue and Alaska?
08-02-2018 | 06:20 PM
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Hmmmm, if management doesn’t follow a contract what happens? It’s grieved or even a lawsuit is filed. You think a judge or arbitrator is going to rule in favor of the scope clause and prevent a multi-billion dollar merger from happening? Good luck. Yes, a JCBA will happen because it’s ALPA. If the carrier isn’t ALPA? Good luck. All black and white contract language is great until management thinks it’s grey!
We're not merging unless management buys us off by mega $$$ to loosen affiliate scope language. They gave up their right to do whatever they want just yesterday, and we can and will enforce our rights here.
08-02-2018 | 08:47 PM
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Sorry, but you're wrong. If nothing else, we have a contract that prevents the scenario you're talking about. ALPA, non-ALPA, non-union, merger, acquisition, change of control, holding company, affiliation, whatever Lorenzo-like permutation you come up with, it doesn't finalize without a JCBA with all pilots on the same seniority list. We know we're vulnerable so we spent some serious negotiating capital on a tight scope section.
We're not merging unless management buys us off by mega $$$ to loosen affiliate scope language. They gave up their right to do whatever they want just yesterday, and we can and will enforce our rights here.
We're not merging unless management buys us off by mega $$$ to loosen affiliate scope language. They gave up their right to do whatever they want just yesterday, and we can and will enforce our rights here.
08-02-2018 | 09:15 PM
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That wont ever happen... Horizon flies the Embraer jets for under 100hr. Likely a purchase of Horizon by Skywest. Just to get the pilots and the E jets. There are some Horizon pilots that fantasize about a merger.
08-02-2018 | 09:48 PM
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Yep. Possible, but too much $$$ to make it worthwhile.
08-03-2018 | 04:51 AM
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A merger with a much larger carrier must result in a JCBA or the merger doesn't happen. The JCBA could just mirror the current CBA of the larger carrier and by sheer weight of numbers it would be voted in. But none of the Guadalupe style, operate separately, take it or leave it, screw job AirTran got. The B6 scope section specifies no part 121 affiliates at all unless operated by B6 pilots, and no block purchase agreements of any sort, so no seat or weight limits. They aren't allowed, period. A JCBA could toss those provisions but it would need a pilot vote to do it.
08-03-2018 | 07:17 AM
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A merger with a much larger carrier must result in a JCBA or the merger doesn't happen. The JCBA could just mirror the current CBA of the larger carrier and by sheer weight of numbers it would be voted in. But none of the Guadalupe style, operate separately, take it or leave it, screw job AirTran got. The B6 scope section specifies no part 121 affiliates at all unless operated by B6 pilots, and no block purchase agreements of any sort, so no seat or weight limits. They aren't allowed, period. A JCBA could toss those provisions but it would need a pilot vote to do it.
08-03-2018 | 08:52 AM
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From: fifi whisperer
From what I’ve read, Affliate flying/block purchase agreements have nothing to do with a purchase by a carrier that has those provisions. Yes, there will be a JCBA, hopefully with the same union, however, that won’t stop the successor from flying those provisions, unless it’s negotiated.
I'd strike over Scope language. I certainly expect similar feelings from the Blue crowd. No regional flying. period.
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